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Well NY can certainly sentence him, and he can potentially serve a custodial sentence. But I suspect that even if the judge handed him time in prison it wouldn't be four years and would almost certainly be appealed or delayed to be mostly irrelevant. But I would dearly, dearly, DEARLY love to see this asshole go to prison and preferably never come out.
Can he pardon himself?
From federal crimes yes.
That's wild that you can just pardon yourself. I'm pretty sure that kind of thing was even in the Magna Carta ages ago but it's a thing still in 2024
Yeah, the whole idea of having a president, and not a king, is that they are not above the law too. We saw how that idea was ensured by the supreme court.
I'm convinced that even on the stuff we know and has been proven in court about Trump, would have been enough to dethrone a European monarch, possibly violently, back in the 1800s, but Trump's supporters and most of the u.s just allows it and roll with it in 2024
I mean, it is fun to joke about. However, I doubt it. Even as late at the 19th century monarchs were blatantly having rivals imprisoned, and executed. Having large groups of people just rounded up and imprisoned, and/or killed, were stealing large amounts of wealth from the tax payers, and just so, so, much shit. They only really ever found themselves suffering legal consequences when other aristocracy decided they needed to go, or that someone else would be better. That, or if material conditions go so bad widespread revolt broke out, and mob justice was served.
It's wild the president can pardon anyone. It completely bypasses the legal system and gives the executive branch too much power.
As I understand it, this is a state case where he can't. Federal pardon powers extend only to federal cases.
He can for J6 and the documents case. But not for this or the Georgia case.
Only even hypothetically for federal crimes. State crimes aren't federal jurisdiction and he has no pardon power over them. Usually pardon power over state crimes is in the hands of the governor.
I'd bet either just fines, a suspended sentence or if there is a custodial sentence that it will explicitly be delayed not to begin until Jan 21, 2029. Pretty sure there's something somewhere about not being able to use law enforcement powers to interfere with the ability of Congress/the Presidency/SCOTUS to do their appointed jobs. Otherwise the Chief of the Capitol Police would be the most powerful legislator in the country, by simply holding legislators he opposes for questioning any times there's an important vote.