this post was submitted on 23 Oct 2024
31 points (79.2% liked)

Ask Lemmy

26560 readers
1627 users here now

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions


Rules: (interactive)


1) Be nice and; have funDoxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them


2) All posts must end with a '?'This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?


3) No spamPlease do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.


4) NSFW is okay, within reasonJust remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either [email protected] or [email protected]. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].


5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email [email protected]. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.


Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Tech Support

No Stupid Questions

You Should Know

Reddit

Jokes

Ask Ouija


Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

seriously! like how do you become addicted to coffee, I drink it regularly but I can't say I am caffeine addict or something. how one become a caffeine addict?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] conciselyverbose 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That's simply not true.

Ignoring that the habit formation is the most effective mechanism towards long term dependence and why rehab/treatment from people who genuinely want to stop often "doesn't take", caffeine also causes physical dependence, with meaningful withdrawal symptoms.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

No, it is not physical dependence. It is acclimation. A habit is not addiction.

Someone drinking coffee daily for years could stop cold turkey for a day, drink some water and take 2 doses of aspiring throughout that day and actually reduce their coffee consumption once resuming without realizing it due to increased efficacy returning to baseline. The person would go through that day normally despite the predicable headache from blood vessel dilation.

A cigarette smoker going cold turkey for a day does NOT have that experience. After the first hour or so every minute of the day would be thinking about needing a cig, and depending on the severity of their addiction could experience serious life-threatening withdrawal symptoms.

[Addicts] Anonymous meetings serve coffee and tea because it is not addictive. It never ceases to amaze me how insistent people are to defend this mistaken idea that caffeine is addictive and yet we'll let teens drink it without restriction, and serve it to actual addicts.

Here's an idea, if you genuinely believe caffeine is addictive start lobbying to set age limits to consumption, or protesting in front of Starbucks.

[–] conciselyverbose 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You very clearly have no knowledge of what the research on addiction says, because this is all complete and utter bullshit.

If physical dependence was the primary issue with addiction, weaning would work. Shockingly, it doesn't.

Cravings aren't physical withdrawal. They're caused by your brain expecting a different balance of neurotransmitters than it receives. Your body also adapts in other ways to drugs to prevent them from killing you as you increase your dosage, but the entire reason you increase your dosage is because the prefrontal cortex is "designed" to decrease the stimulation of the same behavior as the habit is learned, and the goal of hard drugs (again, along with other thrill seeking behavior, and gambling) is to chase that high stimulation. That loop is why you constantly need more, and it's the habit formation of that loop that defines addiction.

This is all very basic, well understood stuff. The actual low level details are hard to pin down, but the fact that addiction is habit formation caused by neurotransmitter fuckery isn't something that's debated by anyone relevant.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

So well understood caffeine isn't in the list of compounds forming addictions. You're the ignorant one trying to equate a habit with addiction. I look forward to seeing you protesting in front of Starbucks and getting laughed at.

habit formation of that loop that defines addiction.

No, it's the negative impact on lifestyle that defines addiction actually, but you can get addicted before even having formed a habit. Smoke a couple cigarettes the first day and you'll have withdrawal the next. A couple hard drugs literally get you hooked first try.

Seriously, stop polluting this community with your ignorance.

[–] conciselyverbose 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Why would I advocate banning an addictive substance exactly?

I don't support hard drugs being criminalized.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 hours ago

So you support freely dispensing addictive substances to kids? Because there's nothing stopping kids from buying coffee from Starbucks.