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I did not say you said it didn't happen on .world. That's not my claim. My claim is that every instance censors views outside what the mods deem acceptable based on their own views. Lemmy.ml only really has a "bad reputation" among the instances with anti-Marxist views, like Lemmy.world and dbzer0, as a quick example, just like Lemmy.world has a bad reputation in leftist instances.
I think it's very difficult to understand the broader inter-instance relationships if you don't have a decent understanding of Marxist and Anarchist theory, as there are many of both, as well as many Liberals. It isn't like Reddit where Liberals far outnumber leftists.
I mean, come on.
Edit: this being down voted shows the very problem of group think. I showed facts and quotes to show an obvious contradiction. Gets down voted. They even admitted to misspeaking , yet here we are, it makes me laugh and it's how people are driven away. I see this in ML so much.
Bad wording on my part, I restated my intended point. What you see as crazy being censored on Lemmy.ml, I also have shown what I believe to be crazy censorship on Lemmy.world. All instances censor along their political lines, you can either go with something like Lemm.ee or find the instance that best fits your political beliefs.
Sure, that may be true. But I've been censored on ml around non political issues on ml and have attacked liberals and leftists on world without being censored. I'm one person, so my experience isn't enough to make a broader claim but others have shared similar experiences.
And I have explained that lemmy.world is anti-Marxist, and shown clear evidence of them taking action against Marxism. I have also managed to attack liberals on Lemmy.world and have gotten away with it, but even expressing the same opinion on different posts can get you crossed off the list of a mod having a power trip.
My point is that you can't remove bias from mods.
If you consider yourself an Anarchist, for instance, you'd likely be better served on Hexbear, dbzer0, slrpnk, etc than Lemmy.world, for example, just like I'm unwelcome on Lemmy.world for being a Marxist.
I'm talking about normal comments. Remove politics at all. Both communities have what we can call "conversations about benign things." I've seen more censorship in ml than world in that area.
Then if we do go to politics, I can attack both sides on "home turf" and only receive bans from one side. Sure my user is a .world user, no idea if that factors in. I've just seen a difference in how the two approach similar situations and in don't agree with how ml has handled those. That's really all it is for me. I could be wrong and like I said, if I see world censoring in a way I disagree with I'd treat them just the same.
I don't know if I'd consider myself anarchist. My views don't seem to fit into one of the labels going around very well. I find myself agreeing with parts of multiple stances. And disagreeing with parts of multiple stances, which is where my different experiences with censoring come in.
I'm not saying you're wrong or even that ml is a bad place. I'm just sharing my experience and reasoning for avoiding it. Other may agree or disagree, I'm not the source of truth by any means haha. But I'd really love to see the censorship toned down in general, across the board.
If this is your point, I'd like to see an example. I haven't seen non-political censorship on either instance fitting this.
Depends on why you attack liberalism. Using consistently Marxist analysis gets you banned, I imagine you aren't likely to be a Marxist, but I don't know. I'd need to see examples.
There it is. You aren't a Marxist, your views are not consistently Marxist. Lemmy.world censors Marxism and consistently Marxist analysis, not just everything critical of liberalism.
As a side note, I recommend reading theory, Marxists and Anarchists tend to have consistent views because their frames of analysis lead to consistent conclusions, such as Dialectical and Historical Materialism with Marxism.
That's fine, I just wish you hadn't jumped out the gate attacking Lemmy.ml and then me then.
Honestly, you can't avoid censorship unless you go with an extremely lightly moderated instance like Lemm.ee, so you may as well jump to one that best fits your views if .world isn't already that for you, or jump to a lightly modded instance.