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My GF is a ghost writer. The publisher has her write into files that are uploaded to a shared platform where editors and other creatives and execs tweak and move each chapter through several named states (represented by different folders), until it reaches "Final."

She gets paid per X words. Come the day before the deadline for payroll, they (sometimes, often its late) open up the payroll system, and she has to re-upload the Final chapter to a folder in that tracking system. Tonight (when they opened the system for her), she has to enter 130 chapters by 10am tomorrow.

It's not just moving a file. She has to download the Final chapter, select the text, copy/paste into the payroll tracking system, and then fix formatting that their silly system creates, like extra spaces, double quotes, etc. Each chapter can take minutes. These pasted chapters are then the final product. She has to stay up all night until its done, or she won't get paid on time.

I feel like she's being taken advantage of, doing admin work for free. This feels like someone else's job. Is this even compliant with labor laws? Is it legal to have her do 12hrs of gruelling repetitive labor to move her completed text like this? Her being paid is conditional on her entering this data.

I know hourly employees must be paid for hours worked, whether it was tracked or not, and tracking is an employer responsibility.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

These are good questions. I don't know. First, what state are you in? Second, does she have any coworkers? Also, does she know anyone in a similar field? If she went to school, does she know any classmates or teachers who might have advice?

Also: can this be automated? Nowadays, you can have a large language model code a lot of things. Could she instruct one to write a python or bash script to reduce since of the work?

Ultimately, I think she should keep looking for better work. But I know that can be challenging.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Ty for the reply.

Not comfortable sharing location info, and I know state laws vary. I do know that our state has a law on the books prohibiting withholding pay based on time entry, because my union rep pushed back when I kept not getting paid because a supervisor was forgetting to approve time.

This is similar, because its the final approval process, but the work has been done, taken out of her hands and finalized. Not to mention, she waits weeks sometimes for them to get off their hands and allow her to upload.

No known contacts in the field other than her coauthors. This is her second year doing this, which is her dream job, and its opening doors for her.

Definitely, it could be automated. But part of the problem is the text box that handles the pasted data inserts characters that are not present in the final work. We've tried dumping to plaintext several different ways and looking for hidden characters, but it still occurs. Thus, it would still require human review. Double quotes could likely be filtered, but who gets paid to develop the automation? She wouldn't know how to debug or validate the code, and she shouldn't have to.

She knows this isn't her ultimate dream job, but she is getting paid to write, and getting your own stuff published is a lot of work, luck, and who you know. She's meeting lots of insiders, but struggling with these constraints.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

If this is US, find your state labor board here:

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/contacts

It's a very specific question, so probably won't be spelled out exactly on any website, but you should be able to contact somebody with more knowledge of the laws in your area.

[–] FigMcLargeHuge 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So a raspberry pi, or an arduino board will identify itself as a keyboard if you code it right. She could have all the text loaded and ready to go for the textbox and when it gets to that part, push a button that is hardwired and it can 'type' all of the text for her so that the system wouldn't crap it up as it wouldn't be 'pasted' in. Just an idea for a solution for her.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You could achieve this with something like AutoHotKey on Windows or xdotool/wtype on Linux. An entire extra piece of hardware seems unnecessary

[–] FigMcLargeHuge 1 points 2 months ago

Sure, I guess it all depends what you have laying around. Like if you had a spare monkey that knew how to type. That's why I said it was just "an" idea. The only thing I would add though is if she needed to type this all in from a machine she doesn't have admin rights to, then the extra hardware might be the only way. Again, it was just an option...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Okay. I don't really have anything to add to that. Good luck though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can she ask the coauthors how they're dealing with it? Maybe ask the bosses if they can open the uploads earlier, especially if everyone is having a hard time getting their work uploaded in time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

The Chinese owners seem to discourage all communication between writers. They did however just acknowledge the difficulties the writers face with this platform tool.

This whole operation just smells to me like Chinese work ethic (work them till they jump out the windows, then put nets under the windows) to me. There have been two "supervisors" in the past 16 months that have come and gone. They used to buffer requests and pish to open submission on time, but then they resign without word.