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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

A repeat of 1932-1933 Ukraine, really.

Edit: Hoping the downvoters are just confused by what I'm talking about. I'll just drop this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_denial

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There's a huge difference between "the famine never happened" and "The widespread crop failures caused famines in some regions due to ineffective policies, bad estimates grain production, and local conflict".

The former is just as wildly ahistorical as the "Stalin did holodomer because he was evil" that's taught in schools.

While that might work for someone whose only interest in the event is demonizing (or eulogizing) the USSR, if you actually want to know how and why things happened, a deeper understanding is necessary.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It certainly true that "Stalin did holodomer because he was evil" would be a stupid thing to say. Good thing very few people are actually saying that then.

The actual point is that when the crop failures started happening Stalin decided to make sure it disproportionately hurt non-Russians, especially Ukrainians. Whether that's technically genocide or not depends how severe it was and what else they were doing to try to Russify the area at the time, but frankly, if we're talking about the subtleties of the definition of genocide I hope we can agree that whether it crosses that threshold or not what happened was not okay.