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LGBT lives and women's rights are crumbs to you.
These are culture war and identity politics, used to divide the working class again and again.
The duopoly and the owner-class will always have minorities to use as scapegoats.
So let's just ignore the people who would suffer in the immediate future to instead "focus" on the indeterminate #revolution that will totally then deal with it. In the meantime I shouldn't be bothered about the suffering of really any oppressed group and their actual lives. I see, I see. But what if I'd like for my queer folks to not be criminalized back into the closet? Not in the future after the #revolution but instead the immediate future?
If your so willing to sacrifice folks current ability to live their lives for the perceived high ground of not engaging with electoral politics then just go ahead and sacrifice yourself. Or is your immediate suffering too much of a concern?
Didya know you can both vote for Dems knowing the whole duopoly and electoral bullshit and still be a radical leftist? Crazy concept, I know. But let's not forget that while economically and foreign policy wise the Dems and Republicans are the same, they are not the same in all regards. And unless you plan on dismantling the US government in the next few months, I'd like people I care about to be a liiiiiiiittle safer than the alternative.
But hey, the current lives of oppressed groups is just crumbs to you so, empathy is probably not the best way to convey this so let's talk in terms you understand.
Queer folk are overwhelmingly leftist. Maybe you'd like to keep that potentially radicalizeable pop alive and put rather than dead or in the closet.
Or would you rather accelerate their oppression and hope the loss of rights causes a radicalization swing?
Or do you not give a shit either way cause once again, they are just crumbs to you.
I disagree with your framing.
You are bringing in talking points from the duopoly, which I am against and do not support.
Fighting for minorities has always been the role of grass-roots movements and third parties.
Bringing the working class and local communities together to push past the status quo is the long-term goal, instead of being stuck on duopoly talking points that continue to be problems decades later.
"fighting for minorities" ahem. The word you used earlier was crumbs. Don't forget that. Your trying to appear pro minority whatever but when faced with the immediate future of those folks you summed their existence and problems up with the word "crumbs". I do not believe you give a shred of a shit outside economic considerations. You got so econ brained that you lost your empathy.
Crumbs are crumbs for the working class.
That is why I have this as my banner:
Fighting for minorities is not a monopoly that the Democrats hold; similar to their support for the working class, it is all an act so as to fearmonger and fundraise.
Some learned this from the Obama failures, others from the Bernie Sanders Era failures, and some learned before and others will learn after another status quo president is elected.
Raise your standards and check out third parties so we may continue to fight against the status quo.
Imma double up my post and give you a lil bit of theory since you seem like the kinda person who enjoys that jazz. Intersectionality. Slap that into Google and start doing some reading.
I am for the working class, not the owner-class and their lackeys that help divide us with culture wars and identity politics.
It is interesting, but I still see it as jargon and a distraction for the issues that will unite the working class.
If you can't get how that multitudes of oppression also intersects with capitalism then there is no saving you. You are willing to sacrifice crumbs/queer folk in the immediate term for literally no reason and no justification. You just personally don't give enough of a shit about those issues to consider them to be something in the moment worth caring about. Who cares about queer rights in the now when we should be caring about working class! You say as of queer folk and their oppression isn't homousian with the plight of the working class.
You just don't care. It's that simple and you've made that clear. You actively give 0 shits. Just crumbs to you.
I disagree with your framing and talking points.
You seem to be going back to the circle jerk of the duopoly, smearing and lying to push your moral high horse and victimhood.
I am not for sacrificing scapegoats and the like; I am for the struggles of the working class; we do that by building up grass roots movements and uniting, not by diving ourselves.
"I disagree with the framing" is a fun cop out for ignoring the consequences of your inaction. Just pretend it's the frame that you don't like. Dance around your crumb comment and stand on nothing.
You are for sacrificing scapegoats. You called them crumbs my comrade. You made it very very clear you do not care about the immediate social consequences of folks targeted by fascists. That's your "framing" and I'm telling you that it lacks empathy and completely betrays the ideals you think you are advocating for.
You are effectively telling targeted minorities to suck it up and suffer the next 4 years hoping that they are still alive to do it again the next 4. That's your frame. Your frame sucks. Fuck your frame.
I disagree again with your framing and smearing.
I don't think we will agree on this; our experiences and world views differ when it comes to culture wars and identity politics.
I say to continue building the working class grass roots movement so as to destroy the status quo and push for a better society for Americans and the working class of the world.
Thanks for the chat, and I hope we may unite on other topics!
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