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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Damnit. I love Firefox. What is the best alternative?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There really isn't one. The closet would be Konqueror with KHTML and one of Mozilla's discarded projects called Servo (which is a beta project now run by the Linux Foundation). The rest are Chrome in a wig and Safari.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There is also this which might be viable in the future, https://ladybird.org/

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

The lady bird dev is a musk fellating tech bro

EDIT: I can't remember where I learned this, but I swear someone on lemmy had shown some tweets that were showing support for the musk era changes and were in some way endorsing web3 garbage. Take everything anyone says on the internet with a grain of salt.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

That sucks but if it's open source it doesn't matter imo

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Andreas Kling? How so?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Well fuck. There goes that one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There was a comment thread a month ago about the attempted refusal to use gender neutral language because that's political: "This project is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics."

It's not the same thing, but it does match the pattern. Still take everything with some salt though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

That much I certainly remember and is easily verifiable, I wish I had a source for the musk support though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

We'll see how it goes in a few years. I did forget about it so thanks for reminding me about it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

FYI: KHTML became Safari that became WebKit that became Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Reports of its death are GREATLY exaggerated. I would suggest continuing to simply use firefox and disable any future crap you don't prefer.

That said librewolf which is intended to be firefox with stronger privacy settings by default that said

  • Default settings break more websites
  • You have to get extensions manually from for instance github because it doesn't use mozillas addon (it can probably be enabled)
  • It doesn't use the built in password manager which is in fact privacy preserving so you have to enable it or use something else
  • you don't get syncing via firefox sync which is in fact already privacy preserving so you have to enable it if you want it
  • It doesn't remember cookies without manually adding an exception to each site this is extremely obnoxious. I'm sure its configurable though

At this time it is far easier to disable the few things that may be undesired from firefox vs turning librewolf into an acceptable option.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I experience little breakage with Librewolf, and when I do, maybe 75-85% of the time it is because the site only works with Chromium. I get extensions directly through the browser, I have not enabled anything as far as I am aware. And of course you can configure the cookie clearing. I quite like it, there are (in my case at least) not many exceptions you need to add before it works quite smoothly, but of course that depends on your usage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I use plain old firefox there are few sites that require chromium. I have noticed that enhanced tracking protection and adblock can both break some sites. Whether it makes sense to turn them off or use a different site depends on the site.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Im using LibreWolf. Its a fork of firefox. For me its the perfect balance between compatibility and privacy friendliness.

[–] merc 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is it a true fork, or is it a project that follows the Firefox tree and builds a customized browser from it?

The difference being, if it's a true fork, they have to do all their own browser engineering starting at the time it was forked off. That sounds like a monumental effort.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] merc 3 points 2 months ago

Strange, because they say it's a "custom version" of Firefox. That normally means it's a custom build, not a true fork.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I started using librewolf about a month ago but I've (unfortunately) switched back to Firefox because of multiple compatibility issues.

Edit: I should add that I switched from Firefox to Fennec (a fork of Firefox) on my phone and that has been working fine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Someone should ship librewolf with less stupid defaults

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Which is what I suggested they continue to use but for those who are concerned about privacy by default I would still suggest something in between.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

All browsers are either based on Chrome or Firefox. There's no alternative.

[–] merc 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't Safari use a different codebase? It's not available on non-Apple platforms, but it's good to know that there are still engineers working on a different codebase.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Chrome is definitely a fork of Safari in a way. Or more accurately, Blink is a fork of Webkit.

[–] merc 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So really, all modern browsers are either forks of KHTML / KJS or are based on the Mozilla codebase. But, at least right now, there are 3 separate engineering teams working on 3 independent codebases. Which hopefully will mitigate some of the issues you get when one company completely controls a software "ecosystem".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Well, there’s Chromium and then there’s Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

All browsers are either based on KHTML or Netscape. There's no alternative.

You see that's a sort of weird way of looking at it?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I love it too. No chance I'm changing any time soon