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As i always say its not the communists its the tankies. Communists want a different economic system but still agree on the equality of people and they can either want an autocratic or democratic system(from what i see simple communists usually want democracy). Then theres the tankies. They support full autocratic governments that are usually not even communitst like china and want a violent revolution. Often times they are even transphobic. Its the one group of people that annoys me more than nazis because they are basically nazis but on my side of the political compass. Also im socdem and have to explain to everyone that no that is not communism but tbf most people dont like communism because they teach its bad and not because they got to the conclusion with their own knowledge.
What do you mean by an "autocratic system?" All Communists support democratic systems, the idea of there being some especially evil Communists that don't want democratic systems is unfounded. Additionally, all Communists want revolution, reformism is anti-Marxist to the core. The State and Revolution is around 25% Marx and Engels quotes and goes over why Marxists believe Revolution is the only path to Communism, and goes over how to make a far more democratic government.
Who? The far-right American Communist Party are not Communists and reject Marxism. The 3 most Communist-friendly Lemmy instances are the most militantly defensive of trans individuals on Lemmy.
Ooh! Ooh! Who are the three most communist friendly Lemmy instances and do they want to be friends?
Hexbear and Lemmygrad are the two explicitly Communist instances, and Lemmy.ml has Marxist-Leninist admins (though apparently they claim .ml is because it's cheap, not for Marxism-Leninism).
Why do you think the ACP is right wing and reject Marxism? Literally they mention being Marxist-Leninist multiple times on the website you link. Nothing I've ever heard them espouse has been right wing, but I'd love if you could point me to some analysis that explains how you arrived at that conclusion.
The ACP is a group of PatSocs, also known as MAGA Communism. They advocate for Patriotism and Nationalism within the Imperial Core, as opposed to an emphasis on Internationalism, which means it is opportunist and revisionist at minimum and plays into the hands of Imperialists. Ie, PatSocs side with the Imperialist Capitalists of their own country and advocate for central planning and other "Marxist" ideas.
They are similar to the German Nazi Party but with more lip service to Marxism.
This is not to be confused with the Communist Party of the USA, which is Reformist and thus Revisionist.
Thanks for elaborating.
Sounds a lot like the USSR, were they not PatSocs?
Many red fash support the states of North Korea, Russia, China, etc.
Ofc "real commies" would never support any state. But there aren't many real commies out there. Most identify as anarchists, nihilists, etc. in order to avoid ideology/terminology that's largely been recuperated by authoritarianism, capitalism, statism, etc.
"Red-fash" isn't a thing, except perhaps for PatSocs and MAGA Communists, like the aforementioned American Communist Party. There are Marxists, and Marxists generally defend AES. There are no Marxists who support Russia except in its anti-NATO stance.
Additionally, this doesn't answer my question. What specifically makes a government authouritarian?
Are Marx, Engels, and Lenin not "real commies?" I suggest reading The State and Revolution, it's around 25% Marx and Engels quotes and goes over the Marxist Theory of the State. Specifically, the Marxist position is that the State can't be abolished overnight, so we must smash the Capitalist state and replace it with a more democratic worker-state that will itself work out contradictions, transitioning from a policing of people to an administration of things, a state-as-not-a-state.
Ah, that's why you didn't answer the authoritarian question and reject the Marxist analysis of the State, you're an Anarchist and are trying to claim full ownership of the word "Communism" and reject all of Marxism itself. I suggest reading Marxist theory, not just Goldman and Kropotkin.
Academic question: are they really on your side of the political compass if they want less democracy and less trans rights?
Socialism means shared control of the factors of production... if the control isn't shared, then de jure landlords are just replaced by de facto "landlords", like in Animal Farm.
Yes but the political compass is a vast oversimplification of ones opionions. Think about it. How can nazism, a social ideology, be on the same axis as communism, an economical idiology. This is part of what im trying to point out in the original comment. Its interesting how you can be both a communist and a tankie but on the right side its basically just nazi nothing else. The left side is much more diverse as you bunch in basically everyone who isnt a nazi. The problem is the right often masquerades as something else and then slowly pulls people to nazism while on the left side we are always arguing with ourselves over smaller matters while we let the right eat up everything.
Personally I think ancaps are way different from Nazis, despite both being far right. Fascism is a merger of state and corporate power, which makes it at least partially an economic ideology.