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tbf, Caitlin Clark is the only WNBA player that’s profitable, and she’s kinda limited salary wise by the fact that the women’s league in general is not profitable and heavily subsidised by the NBA.
People will bitch about how the men’s league gets paid so much in comparison, then proceed to not watch the women’s league…
If you want it to make money YOU need to support it 🫵
This has always been my stance, Women make up approximately 50% of the population and the WNBA generates 2% of the revenue that the NBA does...
My wife and her friends go to some restaraunt once a month and they buy brand name workout clothes. Go to a game, buy a jersey, take your daughter and make it a thing.
This is a great response. If you want to support them, great! Donate, volunteer, watch their games, whatever. For the rest of us, it's an entertainment product. I don't watch WNBA because I don't watch NBA, or any sports. But if you like basketball, yet draw the line at the players' genitals, that's weird.
I would think that the kind of people who watch NBA, would want to watch the WNBA.
It's the same concepts, but with women. I would think the mostly straight/male sports audience would want to watch their favorite sport where the players are also the gender they like to stare at.
Yet, here we are.
Have you ever seen a WNBA game? Sure, it's the same sport but that logic applies to middle school basketball teams as well and no one gives a shit about those either regardless of the gender of the athletes involved.
The reason professional sports are fun to watch is you get to see the best athletes in the world push the limits of what is physically possible for a human to achieve. Top level women cannot compete with top level men in any regularly televised sport, including basketball. No one wants to watch Caitlin Clark on channel 3 when LeBron James is doing way more impressive things on channel 6. That's just the way it is. I don't get why people pretend that isn't obvious and get offended by it.
They should allow light gymnastics in the WNBA to even up the entertainment value. A series of backflips down the court before hitting nothing but net on a 3 would sure get my attention.
Nope. Can't say that I have. I've also never watched an NBA game.
I'm not the target audience. I'm just commenting from an outsiders perspective. I don't "get" it, and I don't expect to.
Have a good day.
The point of WNBA is not to look pretty. They are there because they are good.
If straight men want to look at women there's plenty of environments where the point is that the women are pretty.
I don't know how so many people are so devoid of understanding of something that is such an integral part of human civilisation the world over.
People find something they like. Let's say is basketball. They like playing the game and want to be better so like watching people better than them so they tend to watch the best. Then they also find out they like watching it for entertainment sake. But anyone that has ever watched kids play sport know watching lower quality sport rapidly decrease in entertainment value.
Why would you go actively out of your way to watch an inferior product?
There are so many amateur male athletes that are better than female athletes. But no one goes down to their local game and watch a load of randomers play sport.
People watch the top league usually the club and the international if that sport is international. Then they will watch not their favourite team but other teams to get a better idea of the league. Then they will watch the feeder youth league if they want to. Then other countries leagues or lower leagues. All of these link together and all of them will be a better level than top women's league.
Usually at the point you run out of time to watch any more or you just like sport in general and go watch the top tier of another sport.
There needs to be a reason to watch and the only reason I have found to watch women's sport was to watch the UFC because that's a player on player sport not achieving something. But the women have a lot less power and a lot more flexibility so the strategy is entirely different and sport looks different. In that sense in that entertainment value men can't achieve that, in all other sports men seem to do what women do but better.
That's exactly right.
It's a different feeling watching a team compete to be the best in their league and watching a team compete to be the best in the world.
When MLB was shutdown early on in the pandemic, Taiwan was able to get their league going before MLB started up again. So I watched that. But when MLB startup up again, I stopped watching the Taiwan league baseball. It doesn't mean I hate the Taiwan league, it's just that MLB is a higher level of play, that's the league "my team" plays in, that's the league my team's rivals play in. There's an ongoing story of your team that you're tuning in to see. They're competing to be the best in the world by going up against the best in the world. Everything else is just a curiosity.
In my teens I watched NBA basketball religiously.
In my twenties I was a huge MLB fan.
In my 30s I watched the NFL every weekend.
In my 40s I have athletics daughters and I watch them play and I also watch women's soccer.
Does it help that the US women are a dominant force in the international area whereas the men are just "no longer a joke".
Yes, yes it does.
When my highschooler was younger we'd go watch the Washington Spirit at the Soccerplex in Germantown.
It sat about 4,000.
This summer I travelled back to the US and caught a Spirit game in the new stadium in Baltimore. Holy shit what a big difference.
The crowd now had 19,000 in attendance.
It's totally unfair to use Caitlin Clark as an example of the pay disparity as well. She's a rookie on a pay scale. Her salary is less than half the average wnba salary. What's really crazy to me is that the average salary is about 150k with only one woman making over 250k. For the salaries to be that flat seems odd compared to other pro sports but it's just a part of the W having less revenue. Athletes have very strong unions also.
Dunno. It was comparing rookie against rookie.
250k is 4x the rookie salary. Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant and Nikola Jokic are also around 4x the 12m quoted salary.
Average NBA salary is about 10 million. So Wemby is getting paid like 120% the average in his league. Clark is getting about 50% the average in her league.
Is bill burr on lemmy?
I'm gonna bet that corporate executives are bigoted assholes and increases in profits won't substantially go to the women players.
The WNBA is currently operating at a loss.
Players in the WNBA are unionized and if and when the WNBA starts turning a profit they will be compensated.
To put things in perspective, the WNBA makes less than 1% of the revenue of the NBA. They got a long way to go before they're making anything near to what the NBA players make.
In Brazil, is even more common now to people gather to watch the women football national team, not at the level of the men one, but there's even companies where they close up when any of the two teams play, to give people opportunity to see the game.
I don't like watching basketball (love playing it, though), but oddly enough I know of more people that go to WNBA games than NBA games, which comes to think of it seems odd. Maybe the seats are a lot less expensive...
You can sometimes buy season tickets to the WNBA for the price of similar single-game NBA seats.
Why does nobody watch the women’s leagues? Is it because nobody else does? can’t have all the social aspects of sports if nobody else is doing it.
Imo, they need to stop the segregation. Ditch the women’s leagues, but keep the games and teams. Have both teams play in one league, and contribute to the overall score of the team.
It’ll add new strategy to the seasons. Spend all of your budget on the dudes and hope they keep winning despite the ladies; build a strong women’s team to carry your b-tier men’s team; or something in between.
This results in zero women playing sports.
I wish so much that the top women athletes were above the replacement level. It would create so much interest, we could all root for these women. It would be a benefit in terms of equal rights arguments when you could point to a woman being better at a sport than the men.
But unfortunately that's just not reality. Male replacement level players are better than the best of the best female players. Having women on a team means having a player that's below replacement level on the team. Meaning they could find a male player from a minor league team that could play better. This will never be a winning strategy.
There isn't really a rule that prevents women from competing at the top level in professional sports at the top level. There just isn't any women that can compete at that level. I remember around 20 years ago there was a woman goaltender that was really good and there were hopes she might be good enough to play in the NHL. Ended up not being as good as the male goalies in the minor leagues, so didn't make the cut to get to the NHL.
It's just one of those things where reality doesn't conform to what we want it to be from a political standpoint. Women's leagues exist (and should continue to exist) because if they didn't women wouldn't get to play sports. There's always thousands of men that are stronger and faster than the strongest and fastest woman. It sucks, but it's how it is.
People watch the NBA over the WNBA because they want to be the very best at the sport. It's not a segregation rule that prevents women from playing in the NBA, it's just that there aren't any women that make the cut. Same goes for most sports.
But in the end it isn't really a requirement to be the best at a sport to deserve equal rights. Sports are sports and it's not really that important that there aren't any women that make the cut at the top level of play. There's more important things to worry about.
Why would it result in zero women playing? I’m not suggesting you merge the women’s teams with the open team.
But have it so your women’s teams performance counts just as much as the men’s.
Two teams (men’s and women’s), each playing against their own gender, scoring points in one league.
No point paying your dudes millions per season to get the best players if your women’s team sucks and loses every game.
Get teams and fans an incentive to invest and in both genders by playing for the same trophy.
Caitlyn Clark should launch her own merch store or something.