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"Don't worry guys, the Vanguard(tm) will totally let us skip the whole 'bourgeois democracy' phase of things and definitely not devolve into a fascist state capitalist regime" (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The strength to overcome capitalism has to come from somewhere, doesn’t it? Lenin says that for the workers to achieve this strength, the organization of the working class is necessary,

So far, so good.

because it is the only weapon we have in front of the entire state apparatus that the bourgeoisie holds and the only way to organize this force is through a vanguard party

See, this is where it runs into problems. The whole idea of the vanguard party ignores that this vanguard, if successful, is placed into exactly the same position as prior (usually feudal) elites, and that material conditions thus suggest that a similar relationship of the vanguard with society will come about - which is what has happened every time thus far.

I'm more partial to syndicalist notions, personally.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We may not agree on the method of how our class (I assume you are not a bourgeois) should organize but if you defend the idea that the workers should overcome capitalism and take the reins of power, we are friends

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Awesome. Unironically. It would be nice to see a real labor revival and the destruction of capitalism within my lifetime. I won't hold my breath for doing anything on a timetable that short - gods know the course of history is fickle - but hope for that eventual future is what keeps us going.