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Elden Ring Player to Sue FromSoftware Over High Game Difficulty (www.nme.com)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by vulgarcynic to c/[email protected]

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Another article that highlighs inherent flaws in the American legal system. How can this potentially be an actual lawsuit? How can "journalists" even entertain reporting on this?

Honestly I'm just posting to laugh at my fellow lemmings responses and watch see how the plaintiff is roasted for not gitting gud.

But, there is a real conversation here around continued ignorance of game development and the value of difficult games as a value proposition. Afterall, the person attempting to sue from did choose to purchase the games willingly knowing they're not for scrub casuals like themselves.

What do you all think, is difficulty gating content a real issue? Should dev's have some kind of legal requirement to appease players that can spec a build properly? Is it Thursday and I'm just looking for some easy laughs at a morons expense?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

So your argument against playing for longer than an hour and getting good is playing less than two hours and refunding? You need to play the game for a few hours to understand the combat systems and the way that enemies react.

The first enemy is meant to destroy you. You skip him and find other things to do and come back later when you’ve leveled up. It’s an open world game.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Let them not like the game for gods sake, they are in their right to refund it, they are not complaining about the game, just saying that it's not for them. I love it and have tons of hours played + spent reading the wiki but it's not for everyone and it's cool of they don't like it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think you need to reread my comments. I don't really care if someone likes the game or not. I only care if someone says they can't get good at it when they put in less than the minimal effort. It makes me wonder if people like that gave up riding a bike since they couldn't ride professional downhill racing tracks in the first hour of learning to ride.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I find my comment completely valid. That "minimal" effort is just entertainment gate keeping. If they don't have it in them to spend that extra effort it's their choice and if you want them to change, complaining about it is very backwards.

You could have suggested them to ignore the tree sentinel or Margit, hoever was their first enemy, you could have suggested the to explore the game and ignore hard enemies just like in skyrim we ignored trolls, bears or dragons until we levelled up... Idk, anything but "you didn't even try how dare you say you don't like it" wtf.

If someone in their adulthood gets berated for being demotivated by not being as good as their peers at swimming or riding a bike, telling them off will just shut them about the idea of trying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You could have suggested them to ignore the tree sentinel or Margit, hoever was their first enemy, you could have suggested the to explore the game and ignore hard enemies just like in skyrim we ignored trolls, bears or dragons until we levelled up… Idk, anything but “you didn’t even try how dare you say you don’t like it” wtf.

The first enemy is meant to destroy you. You skip him and find other things to do and come back later when you’ve leveled up. It’s an open world game.

You mean where I do exactly that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Right after berating them for not trying, great effort.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

So your argument against playing for longer than an hour and getting good is playing less than two hours and refunding? You need to play the game for a few hours to understand the combat systems and the way that enemies react.

This is not a berating statement. This is a question followed by a statement of fact. Neither of which is scolding the OP.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's okay for people to not want to take several hours to learn to play a videogame. I say this as someone who has taken the time and likes this game a lot

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh absolutely it's ok to not want to take several hours to learn to play a video game. But don't say "i can't get good at this video game" if you've only put in an hour or two. That makes little sense. Difficult things take time to get good at otherwise they would be easy things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I mean, what if I don't get good after two hours? Will you refund it? Or will I be stuck with a game I suck at that cost $50 or $60 (or however much that was)? Look, I never was good at gaming. Everything I play is on easy or normal. I'm glad most developers keep gamers like me in mind. And as far as I understand, being hard is part of what makes Elden Ring entertaining, which pretty much makes it the opposite for me.

And pretending that everyone is (or can be) as good as everyone else at everything does not make much sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So your argument against playing for longer than an hour and getting good is playing less than two hours and refunding? You need to play the game for a few hours to understand the combat systems and the way that enemies react.

and your argument to enjoy a game is to force yourself to play it longer than the return period is, therefore eliminating any chance of a refund?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's an argument for longer refund periods. Not for people giving up before they've tried.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

well the reality is we do not have longer refund periods. so in the current state of affairs, yes, it is an argument for people to give up. Trying for 2 hours is at least one step better than not buying the game at all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Dude, I just don't like it. The game just wasn't fun for me. The game's not my cup of tea. It's not a hard concept. Also, you kinda move the goal post a bit.