Lemmy admins: we designed Lemmy to speak truth to power.
this post was submitted on 25 Jul 2024
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This is not a special tool. As far as I've seen, this is how lemmy 0.19.5 works now.
Interesting. Is .ml the only one running 19.5? Because I don't really see that pattern from any other instance in the mod logs, though I'm not really watching that closely.
We're running it as well, I've seen it on our end as well iirc
Ah ok I appreciate the information. Seems like kind of a shit way to handle federating bans.
Just out of curiosity, does that mean your instance could choose to not enforce bans from other instances or am I misunderstanding how ban federation works? Before it seemed like the home instance would accept votes and comments and they would be rejected by the remote instance, but had a chance to successfully federate with third instances. Now it seems as if the home instance is doing that enforcement directly. Is that correct?
No the site ban still worked. This ban per community is mostly to be able to remove their content when banned as it otherwise doesn't trigger.
On several occasions I have held conversations with third instance users on .ml threads while I was site banned from .ml. I am trying to drill down into the technical changes whereby bans now actually "reject" comments and votes, seemingly from the home instance, compared to the previous behavior
So if you're banned by a third party instance like ml, you should only be able to interact with other users on your own instance in ml. Instances other than you own would not see your comments as ml would reject them instead of federating them out. At least iirc with how it works