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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, the most likely candidate who meets those criteria is Harris. But c'est la vie.

C'est la vie? Are you serious? Have you been in the US this last 20 years?

This country is too racist and too sexist for Harris to win... It'll never happen, no matter how much money is pumped into her campaign, you can't change the nature of the country, it'll never happen.

I say this as a minority myself, this country sucks and it merely tolerates people who aren't white men. Putting Harris on the Democratic ticket is a huge tactical error, I hate that fact, but it's true.

If you want Harris to be president, reelect Biden and wait for him to resign due to health.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

You’re unfortunately right. It doesn’t help that she can be combative from her years as an attorney. Working retail with many black people for years taught me that the ignorant white world has a much lower tolerance for strong black women. I was frequently called over for conflict resolution due to a “hostile employee” complaint, to find my team member was completely calm and collected, but the old white person perceived a black woman speaking with conviction as overly aggressive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I love this bizarre narrative that the country who elected Obama and majority voted for Clinton is so racist and sexist that they'd be more supportive of a white man who can't reliably form coherent sentences. Like yeah, racism and sexism is a thing, but it's both not worse than public cognitive impairment and you're deploying the specter of bigotry in order to implement its goals without even putting up a fight.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

We did elect Obama, and look at the reaction that caused... The tea party, a completely obstructionist Congress who refused to consider anything the president touched and ultimately the election of Donald Trump.

Obama was elected and half the country freaked the fuck out.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I remember telling people in early 2008 that racists would go apeshit and our entire political landscape would change if he win the primary/got elected, and being treated as if I was somehow racist at the time.

In hindsight, I was wrong.
Yes, what I predicted, and what you said did happen. But we’re wrong because Obama ran as a progressive, and promptly switched into being a milquetoast centrist democrat. What’s more, is that his supporters didn’t extend their support to other liberal causes.
The tea party would have died on the vine if the Democratic Party let liberals feel empowered, rather than like pawns. And if his die-hard supporters had showed up in 2010, state legislatures wouldn’t have been able to gerrymander away/suppress turnout as much as they did - rendering his next 6 years fraught and an uphill battle.

There are more liberal than conservative people in the U.S., but the Democratic Party does not engage with them, instead chasing the middle, and hoping the liberals hold their noses and cast their vote.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, and those people are a minority and already fully on board with the racist that built his political identity around being racist. Obama not only won, but won reelection. These are issues, but they're already baked into the two parties, not a prescription for automatic failure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, and those people are a minority and already fully on board with the racist

They're a vocal minority that is managing to shift the opinions of the rest of the right, it's a problem. If you think racism is not currently on the rise in the US, you should take another look.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

They're already with Trump. There's not some deep additional reservoir of hardcore racists just waiting to have a reason to join the explicitly racist party. And none of this is a question of "should we run Kamala or white male Kamala", it's Kamala or Joe, and Joe's problem isn't speculative and he's going to suffer from exactly the same racism because everyone expects him to die.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And Obama was then reelected years after the Tea Party formed and fizzled out. It's like you're arguing that only white men should run for president because women and minorities will wind up causing too many problems for the country.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It's like you're arguing that only white men should run for president because women and minorities will wind up causing too many problems for the country.

Whoa! I said nothing like that! I think you know that's a complete misrepresentation. I'm saying that there are too many people in this country (on both sides of the aisle) with racist and sexist leanings (that they may not even be aware of) for it to be likely for Harris to win right now. I think Harris would do a fine job if she did win.

I just don't trust the voters of this country to see past their biases. I think if Harris had been the candidate from the start we would have had time to combat those concerns and make her a viable candidate, but coming in late like this she'll seem like a replacement, like the Democrats' plan B. And that's a harder position to win a campaign from, a position I don't think is viable given America's many biases.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, Clinton won the popular vote, but she certainly didn't win the election. And that was largely because of the systemic bias, which favors the more racist, sexist elements of this country.

And Obama had to be the perfect candidate to win. A family man, no skeletons in his closet whatsoever, with a charisma the political world hasn't seen since JFK. And his election brought those awful elements of our society to the fore, and touched off a fascist revolution that is still going on today, which the leader of won the presidency on the back of and is in danger of winning it again.

This country does have a lot of racism and sexism. More than most would like to admit, including you, it seems. And Kamala Harris isn't a strong enough candidate to overcome that, especially when you combine it with the other factors of having to unite a fractured party, coming into the race late, and being chosen at the convention rather than through the primary process.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Obama won reelection, and Clinton was a bad candidate that lost on the margins in the EC. This isn't a prescription for failure meaning we all need to be racist and sexist now. The people for whom racism and sexism is a guiding light are already baked into the electoral system. They have their party, and they have their king, and apart from this contest against Biden, they've been losing.

And all of this is in comparison to a candidate who is visibly mentally declining. We're not comparing Kamala to white male Kamala in talking about this transition.