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Trump lied and Biden got tongue tied at the first debate. So why is the world only focusing on one?
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Because everyone expects trump to lie.
Continually, repeatedly and with wild abandon. People noticed Biden's stumble BECAUSE it was out of the norm
With trump it was the same old shit he always says
It wasn't out of the norm, it's just up till that point all the gaffs were smaller audience and MSM and online CTR types constantly saying things like "he's got a stutter!" or "you're just ageist!" and the debate was much more obvious and watched by enough that those deflections aren't working anymore.
I held my nose and voted Biden last election BTW, we just should have faced the facts that he's clearly been in cognative decline and put in place steps to have a successor prepared, but the party decided it had to be Biden and here we are.
You held your nose to vote for the objectively better candidate who has gone on to do more for the progressive movement than any other president ever.
I have to say that shit like that constantly being said can't possibly help either. Constant negativity at every stage no matter what; great look.
Bernie would have been better on literally every front and he was fucked by the DNC and the elites.
Saying Biden has been the most progressive president is honestly hilarious to me, like did you know FDR existed? Ever looked into some of the glorious policies in that time?
Trump is literally a wannabe evil dictator, so yeah Biden is clearly the better candidate, but let's be real here please.
It's not correct to say Biden has been more progressive than FDR, especially for the time. However, it's also not "hilarious" to mistake the number 2 for the number 1. Policy-wise Biden has been enormously good for the working class and it's not honest to say otherwise. Also, FDR had almost 4 terms and never openly sided with a union over a corporation like Biden did.
What union did Biden openly side with? If it's the rail one I'm thinking of, he broke the strike and forced them back... So...
What other progressive policies has Biden implemented? (Serious question)
I do know about the student loan stuff, which was killed, did raise the minimum wage for federal workers, which is nice but also just a small improvement. Roe v Wade is out now (not directly his fault ofc) and I haven't seen any overall improvements/changes on that front.
UAW.
NLRB appointments that are top notch, FTC appointments that are top notch, the ones you mentioned, improved overtime 1.5x pay regulations, LOTS of infrastructure spending for public transport, lots of antitrust in the tech sector specifically regarding privacy and data brokering, strict regulations against Airlines and banks who apply hidden fees and predatory return/overdraft loan interest policies as well as specific mortgage loan practices which result in surprise rate increases, and he might be structuring for Marijuana decriminalization, it's already down to schedule 3 from schedule 1. Most of his accomplishments are tied to his agencies and some smart appointments to them, and it is a big reason the Supreme Court is trying to gut them.
His executive orders have been much more measured than Obama's and Trump's, for better or for worse. He doesn't seem to want the supreme court to slap down everything he does, but that's a neoliberal for you.
I see your point, I guess my stance is a lot of those feel like neolib small steps, which aren't nothing for sure, just hard to say they're actually progressive, as most progressive ideals I align with require much larger changes to structure in general. Neolib policies are partially what brought us to this place (of course the GOP ghouls tearing it all down every other presidency doesn't help...) I think a lot of it ends up feeling like the dems promise a lot and then under deliver every time, but they clearly don't cheerlead the wins they do make enough either. Feels like they're constantly just trying to fight off right wing narratives instead, which is clearly just a waste of time as they will misrepresent and straight lie as much as possible.