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I'm confused...
Are they a politically powerful group like the Associated Press says?
Or a small minority with no political power like a random social media account just told me?
The ~~vast majority of Hareidi Jews are Zionist.~~ There are small groups totalling a few thousand who are Anti Zionist but live in Israel.
The Ultra Orthodox majority not only supports the state, but are represented by religious parties in the current government under Netanyahu.
Edit: Survey data shown below shows that although Hareidi Jews in Israel participate in the government, are represented by designated parties, and those parties are members of the current government under Netanyahu, the majority of those same people consider themselves either "not too" Zionist or "not at all" Zionist.
So as a larger community, they're hypocritical and support the genocide in Gaza.
But some fringe members are actually non-violent and against the genocide of their neighbors?
That makes sense.
But the other person just claimed the opposite:
Which is what confused me.
Your definition of Zionism is almost certainly not what the word means in Israel
I mean, probably, yeah that's a safe bet.
But I meant you replied to me and said one thing, and someone else replied to me saying the exact opposite.
But yeah, you seem to know what you're talking about and I was curious. So thanks for answering my questions.
Yes aleph posted links to survey data below that shows most Hareidi Jews do not consider themselves "somewhat" or "very" Zionist. Hence that statement. I was basing my statement on government participation. Hareidi Jews vote at or above national voting rates, and their parties (Shas and UTJ) are members of the governing coalition. Anti-Zionist parties (such as Ra'am) would never be willing to join a ruling coalition.
According to a recent survey, less than half of Haredi Jews outside of Israel identify as Zionists, post October 7th.
In 2016, the percentage of Israeli Haredim who identified as Zionist was just 33%.
Do you have any recent figures for within Israel itself that confirms a "vast majority"?
I mean extremely few "Trump'ers" in the US would tell you they are racists, but almost all are...
Thank you for the links. It seems I missed the mark on that one.
I didn't say they weren't politically powerful. The two main Haredi (Ultra-orthodox) parties are significant part of Netanyahu's coalition, and they have always had a disproportionate power compared to the Haredi population because almost all Haredi voters vote for them.
Within the Haredi community there is still a wide range of opinions, of course. However, even within Israel most have not traditionally described themselves as Zionists (only 33% percent, according to a 2016 survey).
100% not trying to be a dick, because I appreciate the insight.
But is there a typo in there?
Or are you saying that the population will always just vote for the party because of shared religious beliefs...
Even though the party acts against those beliefs?
Like, I'm not trying to argue if that's logical. I'm American, we have far right abrahmic extremists too that unironically support trump despite him pretty much doing the opposite of their religious guidance at every chance. No judgement on that, I'm not asking you to defend them.
I'm just asking if I'm understanding you right about what's going on. Because I don't understand how the Ultra Orthodox party can have "disproportionate power" over their own voting base.
Except in the context that they just vote for whoever their religious leaders tell them to without question or thought.
But also, a lot of shit has gone down since 2016... Those numbers might not be up to date
The first thing to understand is that Israel's parliamentary system of government is quite different from the US'. Instead of two main parties dominating the political landscape, i.e. Republicans vs Democrats, Israel has around a dozen main parties which work together to form coalition governments where more than one party is in power at one time. Under this fragmented landscape, if you have a religious or ethnic minority who all tend to vote for the same party, that can lead to a situation where one group in society may hold sway over others politically even though they are not as as large a population numerically.
And yes, you're quite right - a lot has changed since 2016, and some Haredi (especially the young) have been increasingly drifting towards the far-right nationalist parties like Likud (Netanyahu's party) and the Religious Nationalists. However, as this AP article suggests, these recent converts moving away from the traditional Haredi parties are still a minority.
While the majority of Haredim living outside Israel still do not identify as Zionists (as per this recent, post-Oct 7th survey), I admit I don't have any hard polling data for the current situation in Israel itself. If anyone else does, I would appreciate the info.