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Urban Microcars (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by freebee to c/[email protected]
 

Society's got priorities wrong.

  • most car travels are 1 person or sometimes 2 person

  • the majority of car travels are quite short, less than 40km.

  • many car travels are just to get some groceries or drop of a little package or just say "hi" to someone, carrying nothing but themselves.

  • cars are fucking expensive, to buy and to maintain

  • accidents become way worse with heavier vehicles

Microcar is a valid answer to all of these, while still being sheltered from weather.

How are urban places (i'm in Belgium) with almost permanent super heavy road traffic congestion, bad climate statistics, high polution values, very limited available space left, no self-sustaining energy production and high traffic accident statistics still pooring in billions and billions in subsidies year after year into "regular" big heavy SUV-like vehicles instead of these? It's beyond my comprehension. The only real valid reason i somewhat get is the collective scare of being in a crash and not wanting to be in the smaller vehicle. We could save the climate, we choose not to.

  • MICROLINO: 17.990 €
  • OPEL ROCKS: 8.699 €
  • CITROEN AMI: 7.790 €
  • RENAULT TWIZY: 13.000 €
  • FIAT TOPOLINO: 9.890 €

A lot of people here casually spend more on a sunday racing bike every few years for fucks sake.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What cities actually need:

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Sometimes people do need a car, and if they do I would prefer it to be a small little thing like this rather than something larger.
These kinds of car are quite popular in Amsterdam, for instance

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Amsterdam?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I want to ride my bicycle, bicycle, bicycle

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I want my country to have 1/10 the bicycle infrastructure of the Netherlands. We're in the dark ages by comparison.

Still better than France or Germany though, at least we got that going for us

[–] freebee 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Metro unfortunately isn't a solution in urban sprawled, urban planning disaster Flanders. It's dense yet too spread out. Metro is good for very dense urban cores like Brussels. But it's not the one big end all problems solution. Metro is part of what cities need, but not the only thing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Metro unfortunately isn’t a solution in urban sprawled, urban planning disaster

It is, because it creates the nodes of transit around which higher density building can be built.

Urban sprawl is a consequence of poor mass transit, not a cause of it.

[–] freebee 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Here among other reasons it's a historic consequence of few building regulations for 150 years combined with a dominant Christian party 150y actively trying to keep as many people as possible sprawled out in villages around cities because they thought masses moving to the cities would turn them into revolutionary heretic communists.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

would turn them into revolutionary heretic communists

I mean, that's just another advantage of having a metro

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I think its more of a modern contrivance than that. The Robert Moses plan for New York was enormously profitable for real estate developers. There's definitely a certain nostalgic element to the pastiche of smaller and more remote towns. But the modern suburbs system is far more about urban segregation and real estate commercialization (mega-malls, movie theaters, gas stations, etc) than economic evangelicalism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i mean that just sounds like stockholm lol, also if you can't quite justify a metro then you just build a baby metro, otherwise called light rail (or fuck it, actual tramlines)

[–] freebee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

a lot of it unfortunately is too sprawled for tramlines to make sense.

You can see the border between belgium and the netherlands on this pop density map: https://www.luminocity3d.org/WorldPopDen/#9/51.2885/4.5607

Netherlands: "clustered towns with a center". Flanders: "wtf just happened?" We have approximately 13.000 km of "linear settlement"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

looking at the map, light rail seems like it should work fine? It's not that sprawly, there are pretty clear urban clusters that you could just slap some rail onto the roads going between.

i think you're presuming the transport has to be profitable? which obviously will only ever justify some subway lines in metropoles and train lines connecting major cities.

[–] freebee 1 points 5 months ago

No it's just always a battle for space. The linear settlements the old roads run through are wide enough for 1 lane in each direction, 2 narrow sidewalks and perhaps a narrow cycle path. Enter tram: it's either stuck in traffic with the cars or they have to decide to ban cars and no longer serve the hundreds of driveways on a route, politicians don't have the balls for that, not even the green ones. I wish they would.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Light rail to serve suburbs and buses within the suburbs :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Idk why I saw this and thought use it as a super confusing battle ship board like TR mis