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I don't accept any of those people as left, much less "ultra left". They're rossian conservatives larping as leftists, at best
I can't agree, they are authoritarian yes but they advocate for collectivist policies, and I've met people like them IRL so I know they are indeed real.
Authoritarianism is inherently antithetical to the fundamental leftist goals of liberty and egalitarianism because it empowers an unaccountable ruling class instead of a democratic government
By that logic leftist anarchists aren't leftist because they don't want a government democratic or otherwise, by definition.
Anarchists are radically egalitarian and libertarian and support the formation of democratic governments through voluntary free association rather than a centralized and hierarchical state
"Not typically/always," and those, by definition, are not "anarchists." I suppose minarchism (if we allow that to be a generic term for "minimal government" rather than "almost anarchocapitalist,") is a more apt term for them, but by definition anarchism lacks a government.
Supporters of forming democratic governments through voluntary free association aren’t anarchists
But
Supporters of enslaving millions in gulags, assassinating all political opposition, crushing democratic uprisings through military force, and imperialist expansion through invasion and annexation are leftists
Did I get that right?
Nope. Find me a definition right now that says "anarchists" support "enslaving millions in gulags, assassinating all political opposition, crushing democratic uprisings through military force, and imperialist expansion through invasion and annexation" by definition.
I'll wait.
Ok so now that you're back with "Anarchism - The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished," since you couldn't find your stupid bullshit anywhere, you see now how anarchists are not in support of "government," yes?
you missed the point
Either you missed mine or failed to succinctly make yours.
Their advocacy for collectivist policies is the larping; they spend most of their energy pushing for fascism
I mean, they spend most of their energy being terminally online, but that doesn't indicate which side of the political spectrum they are on. They spend most of their time being terminally online by pushing collectivist policies in the most asshole way possible, that helps narrow it down that they're just asshole leftists. Leftists can indeed be assholes despite your unwillingness to believe it.
Collectivist, until people they don't like show up at the table.
As is the nature of many collectivists. You're either in the collective or against the collective.
Lolz