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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

So who do they think they're going to vote for? Trump has also continually vowed his support of Israel and wouldn't have done anything different (except maybe sending even more weapons to them), while at the same time not supporting Ukraine at all.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

They probably won't vote.

while at the same time not supporting Ukraine at all.

ukkkraine

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

They're going to vote for somebody who is not open about the fact that they are doing a genocide. if that's too high of a bar for dems to clear that is dems problem and nobody else.

"You have tonvote for biden or trumpnwill bimb the rubble" is not an effective campaign strategy. They've concentrated the entire population into rafah and now they're moving into rafah, exactly like every single person criticizing Biden has been screaming they'll do since Biden started quadruppling down on unconditional support.

Trump might actually not be worse for Palestine because at this rate by next January there won't be anybody left to genocide.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Funny, that's what you people said when Russia invaded two years ago.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No, I'm saying it because the front line is collapsing as we speak. I'm not a Putin-stan lol. I'd be persecuted in Russia.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Much of that was because the US House of Representatives was sitting on its ass for the past how many months? There have been widespread reports of Ukraine rationing ammunition, effectively forcing them to cede ground. The recent passage of aid will start getting basic supplies in quickly. Don't write them off yet.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A bigger reason is that their manpower is depleted from so many dead. Not to mention various defensive lines not getting built.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But at the same time, a lot of those deaths and shattered defensive lines were because of a lack of supplies. I'm not going to make any claims on how much, but when the Russians are firing 5 shells for every 1 shell the Ukrainians fire off, that changes things.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah I certainly agree. It definitely matters a lot. I just don't the west has the industrial capacity currently to match that rate. Most of the arms were from deep, old, stockpiles, not fresh production. There'd need to be a pretty big reindustrialization push to get anywhere close.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

From what I understand, the West has specialized more in precision ammunition, whereas Russia leans far more on dumb bombs. The industrial capacity is there, but the specific capacity needs adjusting. The West is seeing the first war in a long time involving a near-peer adversary running itself as a war economy, so this is also about getting production lines and supply chains up to the task. During WW2, the US was involved in production on the side of the allies via the Lend-Lease Act before it officially entered the war, so there was time for it to specialize. Not that I am in favor of a world war or escalation, but I don't think it's good to be a sitting duck.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

With all due respect, you don't understand shit.

If this war is purely dependent on the US supplying arms and funds to Ukraine, then it's a lost war or at best just a proxy war.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Erg that sucks... I've seen some posts about Russia's new offense but haven't had the chance to look into what's really happening. Guess I should find some time (not that my knowledge will change anything, of course).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

While you might not agree with everything on our instance, the weekly news threads are pretty good at collating news and sources as things happen. It’s a decent thing to browse at least.

https://hexbear.net/post/2526093

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, because short of escalating to WWIII the war was lost from the jump. Is being right about that for two years a bad thing? Is losing two years and a ton of casualties later worth anything?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

And we are still right.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It would be a lot easier for Democrats to stop supporting Israel if Trump was the one bankrolling the genocide.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Same way they opposed Trumps immigration policy as much as they could but let Biden silently do the exact same thing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I honestly don't believe that for a minute. You've got people who support Israel because that's what they've been taught to do their whole life, and then you have people actually paying attention to what's been going on and getting called antisemitic for calling out the genocide. Unfortunately the people who are unwilling to change their ways far outnumber the people who care.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It wouldn't cause all Democrats to flip on Israel, but a lot of Democrats are only supporting Israel because of inertia. Supporting Israel is just normal, so that's what they do. If Trump were president it would force them to rethink how "normal" their support actually is.

You're underestimating how much Democrats hate Trump. If anything could force them to rethink anything it's agreeing with him.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Cornel West is the best option available, the united states NEEDS an intellectual, philosopher, and social critic in office. It's been an exceptional shit show more recently. Voting in someone with the ability to actually contemplate the consequences of their actions and not just listen to those with the most money is severely needed to get back on the path to being a functional country.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

True enough, but until we get some sort of ranked-choice voting, there's no chance of a 3rd party candidate being more than a minor blip in the voting numbers.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (31 children)

So your suggestion is to keep supporting the same people for ever no matter what they do.

How could that possibly lead to anything changing. You are explicitly sending the message "well keep supporting you no matter what so please do what we want even though it won't make any difference to you if you dont."

[–] atzanteol 8 points 4 months ago

Is it worse than allowing someone to be elected who may not let you vote again? Is that the change you want? Literally a guy who tried to overturn a free election?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

The only message they were “explicitly” sending was what they actually wrote, which was about the importance of ranked-choice voting. If you feel differently, that’s fine, but it’s not cool to put words in their mouth.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

You could also recognize that voting is a rigged process and is in no way the limit of political action. You can then choose to do things that are better than using bad game theory to try to get people to vote for a genocide.