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Treatment of animals is very much a part of the moral issue. Causing suffering is clearly a moral issue. Also there are the environmental impacts to consider.
And again . That varies quite a lot depending on where the meat comes from.
To do what you do and just drag a giant blanket over everything is incredibly ignorant.
And I'm just really over the incredible hypocrisy. Eating meat is wrong cause an animal suffered, but wearing clothes made in a Vietnamese,chineese or Bangladesh sweatshop is ok. Because that only includes human suffering and slave like conditions.
It varies yes, but it doesn't change the fact that there is more animal suffering and environmental damage getting protein from animal sources than plants. Also talking about ssweatshops is changing the topic and moving the goalposts as you did previously with eggs. That's not a good faith discussion
Depends on who is farming the plants don't you think? Not like there hasn't been scandals about exploitation of workers in agriculture.
Not to mention environmental damage from over fertilizing and pesticides, and dumping of waste.
Not really. If you look at the data, ā pound of protein via meat is orders of magnitude worse in terms of environmental impacts. And that's ignoring suffering.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652622043542
Maybe you should actually read the studies you link.
There's 100s like it if you actually care. Also I don't see why that matters
Yeah, that's the problem. You can't even bother to read and understand the studies you link. You see the title and thinks "ah yes, that agrees with my agenda"
No. I read the fucking study. Your objection doesn't alter the results. And it's not like there isn't a tonne of information about this topic. You are choosing to ignore the science by quibbling about an irrelevant detail in one study
Not at all. But the question I raised from the start was that it matters where the meat is from.
Just like it matters where the plants are from.
Farmers have been using pesticides that kill bees in the millions. That will factually do more harm to the ecosystem than "the meat industry" ever could.
But maybe you want to focus on agriculture that doesn't use pesticides that are known to kill bees. Maybe then you think it matters. You know, when it suits you.
So the whole point of "but it matters where" is very relevant. A lunch resturant business in London. Isn't exactly representative of a normal every day person in the slightest.
Oh FFS. Theres bad agriculture and there's meat raising which is bad agriculture with worse bits tracked on. Your point isn't wrong is just irrelevant
That's the funny part. If you think my point is irrelevant, so is yours.
I don't think you understand the point I just made but I'm done with this conversion it's clearly not a good faith discussion. Good luck to you