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The reality is that both Hamas and Israel would do the same in a "permanent cease fire". Hamas famously won't sign a peace treaty with Israel - that's how they became famous internationally in the 90s, by refusing the peace process. For the same reason Netanyahu - and most Israeli leaders - won't sign a proper peace treaty with Hamas. Both want to eradicate the other.
Hamas has already stated they would agree to a permanent peace treaty if a Palestinian state is established.
Ergo only israel is currently in the way of a two state solution.
Where exactly has it decided that? And I dont mean in some Interview by one Hamas leader. This is a decision that the actual commanding structure of Hamas (most likely, both the Politburo and the military leadership) has to take.
https://theintercept.com/2023/11/28/israel-palestine-history-peace/
Hamas has never participated in peace negotiations, has always refused the PLO positions raised during these negotiations and has multiple times stated in public that they want a truce (be it 10 or 30 years) as a temporary measure in the continued fight against the Zionist state.
I can search for the sources on this when I wake up tomorrow, heading to bed rn
You up yet?
Hamas again raises the possibility of a 2-state compromise. Israel and its allies aren’t convinced
Hamas has done these kind of statements for years, they explicitly never accept the Oslo Accords or a recognition of Israel. They dont offer peace, they offer truces. And again: that's an interview with one single person within Hamas. I can guarantee you that there are multiple senior people within Hamas who will disagree with this proposal - because that always happens. Hamas doesnt work like a top-down organization where the lower personnel silently accepts what the leadership decides.
"No they said they want peace but they really don't wanna! Also ignore israel refusing every peace deal and committing Genocide! And ignore when the Oslo Accords were about to be accepted and then an underling from Netanyahu assassinated the president of israel that was about to accept it! That was actuallly Hamas!"
Take a look over at the West Bank and it beecomes apparent without a single doubt which of the parties is the constant aggressor that refuses any peace.
You're pretty good at ignoring my arguments and making up pseudo-arguments that I never made, I'll give you that.
People who think of this whole conflict as strictly two sides and nothing more will never understand why it has not been solved. You even allude to that yourself by pointing out the right-wing, Netanyahu-aligned murderer of Rabin. But don't follow through with that logic.
You're pretty good at ignoring reality.
Lol, calling it the "politburo" really reveals the particular type of brain rot you've got. Hamas are not a communist party, and they are not part of the Soviet union.
"But 'politburo' scary, even if I don't really have an idea of what it means. Some talking head on TV said it, and it sounded cool, so I'll repeat it online in order to sound knowledgeable".
Stick to words you know the meaning of maybe?
Have you ever taken a look at the structure of Hamas? Here, let me quote the most basic thing you could have read: the Wikipedia article.
"Politburo" is the german word for "political bureau". Simple as that. And has nothing to do with communism.
How are you this dense and don't already have your own moon orbiting around you?
Yes, political and bureau are two English words, and if you had used them, they'd correspond to your quote from a wikipedia article. However, you used "politburo", which is the abbreviation used to denote the political bureaus of the communist parties within the Soviet sphere. You know, like compromising material being an English phrase, while the abbreviation "kompromat" is a Russian intelligence abbreviation from the Stalin era.
It's odd for someone getting their worldview through Wikipedia to not at least look for the wiki article for politburo. But in any case, I'd suggest not limiting yourself to the non existent nuance in Wikipedia and try to dig a little bit deeper in order to understand the words you're using to sound smart online.
Again: english is my second language, "Politbüro" is literally the German term for "political bureau". See random german newspaper article to confirm the use of the term "Hamas-Politbüro" in german: https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Hamas-Politbuero-spricht-sich-fuer-Ende-des-Krieges-aus-article24613499.html
Sorry for the confusion, it was simply a translation error I made. Because when formulating posts in english I might sometimes miss some proper English terms and use german ones by accident. Now please stop with the insinuations, I did not use that word to compare Hamas to communist parties or to "sound smart".
Ok. To be fair, it is actually the first time you're mentioning the German angle and English being your second language, so I had no way of knowing. Also, there are a lot of people online using these terms (politburo, kompromat and the like) in order to cast a subliminally negative light on the subjects being discussed, so I wasn't trying to be malicious, if perhaps a bit too defensive 😄 My apologies for insinuating that you have a hidden agenda.