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It's so rare to actually see a new battery tech exit the lab and enter production. Always seems like there's 10,000 new up and coming breakthroughs in battery technology, but none ever leave the workbench.

While Na-ion batteries don't have the energy density of Li-ion, they make up for it with many other factors such as more abundant source materials, increased safety, higher charge/discharge currents, and increased number of charge cycles.

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Not only is sodium somewhere between 500 to 1,000 times more abundant than lithium on the planet we call Earth, sourcing it doesn't necessitate the same type of earth-scarring extraction. Even moving beyond the sodium vs lithium surname comparison, Natron says its sodium-ion batteries are made entirely from abundantly available commodity materials that also include aluminum, iron and manganese. Furthermore, the materials for Natron's sodium-ion chemistry can be procured through a reliable US-based domestic supply chain free from geopolitical disruption. The same cannot be said for common lithium-ion materials like cobalt and nickel.

Sodium-ion tech has received heightened interest in recent years as a more reliable, potentially cheaper energy storage medium. While its energy density lags behind lithium-ion, advantages such as faster cycling, longer lifespan and safer, non-flammable end use have made sodium-ion an attractive alternative, especially for stationary uses like data center and EV charger backup storage. [...] Natron says its batteries charge and discharge at rates 10 times faster than lithium-ion, a level of immediate charge/discharge capability that makes the batteries a prime contender for the ups and downs of backup power storage. Also helping in that use case is an estimated lifespan of 50,000 cycles.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

For anyone wondering how the density actually compares, it seems that sodium batteries are a bit more than half the energy density of the best lithium batteries, but are a less mature technology so that may improve over time.

energy density of lithium and sodium based batteries over time

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Judging from that graph, it looks like the sodium ion batteries are about as energy dense as Li-ion was in 2020, which is far from useless. Li-ion may still be the best but at a point, there's "good enough" for many applications (eg cellphones) if the price is low enough.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I would happily take a slight reduction in EV range if it meant the battery was significantly less expensive and the number of charge/discharge cycles would last the life of the car. Someone else said that with a rated 50,000 cycles, one charge cycle per day would last 137 years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The li-po batteries do already last the life of the car to be fair.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

True, but aren't they a bit handicapped by only using the "middle" range of the battery in order to extend their useful life?

Though to also be fair, I don't know if these sodium batteries require the same management techniques or not.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Not sure, but i get 420km range and it's dropped less than 5% after 110,000km, does 0-100 in 5 seconds. To be honest that's more than quick enough for me.

If it's nerfed a bit i definitely don't notice it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

They aren't rated for 50,000 cycles. The ones I have seen are rated between Lithium Cobalt Oxide and Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries. They don't even come close to Lithium Titanate in charge cycles.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lithium Phosphate, yes. Most EVs don't use that because it doesn't do as well as full Li-ion. LFP is a safer chemistry, though.

Ebikes are where I hope this gets a lot of use. That and stationary applications.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

True but it's growing rapidly each year. The base model 3 Tesla uses them and there are a lot of those around.