this post was submitted on 01 May 2024
915 points (99.1% liked)

News

23376 readers
1981 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

HOAs implement illegal rules all the time. They were literally first used to end run discrimination laws. It doesn't even have to be insurance, it could be something else to frustrate gun owners lives. That's the beauty of selective enforcement /s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Illicit rule making being in their repertoire wouldn't make it any more just (two wrongs, and everything) or enforceable, as the gun owner could easily just not abide by or pay it. Also, Making any regulation/fee or anything to "frustrate" gun owners could also be seen as harassment.

There is no indication that the guy ever used or brandished the gun outside his home, which is where the HOA's jurisdiction would be. Like I said, the HOA can't do a damn thing about what goes on inside someone's home. If they were to try, it would fall flat the minute it gets challenged especially with Kansas being one of the states having a castle doctrine which implies the possibile use of a gun (i.e. deadly force) for defense.

The case is likely going to be about the castle doctrine and it's limits on whether someone standing on your doorstep constitutes a threat, (which it doesn't) along with trying to prove that the kid was trying to break in (this I doubt) which could justify an imminent threat.

I am in no way on the side of the old man. I actually think he was completely in the wrong (also got off way too easy) and the kid was legitimately just at the wrong house.

My opinion is the man should be evaluated for mental fitness and if unfit would be required to need a caretaker, of sorts. If no mental issues, be tried and convicted for the first degree assault (attempted homicide) charge.

The HOA however does not have any actual stake in it that I've found, as the kid was shot from behind the storm door by the old man who was inside his house.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's pissing into the wind to assume an hoa won't do the wrong thing.

There's existing mechanisms to enforce fines.

I'm not talking about this article just HOAs in general

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes. I'm not saying that they wouldn't try to come up with bogus/farfetched regulations, but they legitimately cannot do anything about what goes on behind closed doors in someone's house. To do otherwise would be a breach in that person's right to privacy. It'd be like an HOA telling you, you have to vacuum/sweep/mop every other day, otherwise you can be fined. (or saying you can't have sex on Sundays)

HOAs do have some extralegal clout, but the right to privacy stops them from interfering in anything you do that isn't openly visible. (i.e. Doing a meatspin in front of a window facing the street can be penalized, but taking a dump in your kitchen sink can't, unless the sink is in front of a window facing the street and the blinds/curtains/shutters are open.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

they legitimately cannot

This is the point, there are options for illegitimate fuckery

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And if they do, they open themselves up to a lawsuit.

But, in relation to the story. It's a gun owning, likely conservative (and MAGA'd), prejudicial old white man with nothing better to do but watch his balls sink lower and lower. Harassing him or his money with BS regulations for him having a gun in his house will just have him spend the huge amount of free time he has fighting them and likely filing a claim/s against the HOA

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

they open themselves up to a lawsuit.

Similarly to some retiree, the HOA can drag out court by virtue of being funded by all the home owners.