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Iraq makes same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in jail (www.theguardian.com)

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Amendments to anti-prostitution law also enable courts to sentence trans people to three years in prison

Iraq’s parliament has passed a bill making same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in prison, in a move condemned as an “attack on human rights”.

Transgender people will also be sentenced to three years in jail under the amendments to a 1988 anti-prostitution law, which were adopted during a session attended by 170 out of 329 lawmakers on Saturday.

A previous draft had proposed capital punishment for same-sex relations, in what campaigners had called a “dangerous” escalation. The new amendments enable courts to sentence people to between 10 and 15 years in prison, according to the document seen by AFP, in a country where gay and transgender people already face frequent attacks and discrimination.

They also set a minimum seven-year prison term for “promoting” same-sex relations and a sentence ranging from one to three years for men who “intentionally” act like women.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wow. Two stories in one day about how America brought freedom to Iraq.

[+] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (4 children)

It's America's fault because Bush invaded to "bring freedom" to Iraq and then America stayed there for seven years and this is the result a decade later. And you think America should still be occupying Iraq? Should it be annexed as the 51st state or something?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Iraq independently passes shitty law

This is all America's fault even though they aren't there and have nothing to do with it

Surely if left to their own devices, a woman and LGBT friendly paradise would be there

America Bad even when an independent country makes its own decision somehow

You realize that by reducing all political activity in Iraq to the invasion of Iraq, you are posing the Iraqi people as puppets with no will of their own?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

So that I don't repeat myself, see this reply: https://lemmy.world/comment/9699031

Homosexuality was legal in Iraq while Saddam was in power.

Edit: re your edit-

You realize that by reducing all political activity in Iraq to the invasion of Iraq, you are posing the Iraqi people as puppets with no will of their own?

No, but I am saying their will isn't being represented. Because it isn't.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2021/10/iraqi-elections-still-do-not-deliver-democracy

[+] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Queers? I don't know. Women? Because I do know.

Until the 1990s, Iraqi women played an active role in the political and economic development of Iraq.[121] In 1969, the Ba'ath Party established the General Federation of Iraqi Women, which offered many social programs to women, implementing legal reforms advancing women's status under the law and lobbying for changes to the personal status code.[121] In 1986, Iraq became one of the first countries to ratify the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women.[121]

During the 1970s and 1980s, Saddam Hussein urged women to fill men's places in schools, universities, hospitals, factories, the army, and the police. However, women's employment subsequently decreased as they were encouraged to make way for returning soldiers in the late 1980s and the 1990s.[122] In general in cases of war, as Nadje Sadig Al-Ali, author of Iraqi Women: Untold Stories from 1948 to the Present, argues, "women carried the conflicting double burden of being the main motors of the state bureaucracy and the public sector, the main breadwinners and heads of households but also the mothers of 'future soldiers.'[123]: 168 In the years following the 1991 Gulf War, many of the positive steps that had been taken to advance women's and girls’ status in Iraqi society were reversed due to a combination of legal, economic, and political factors.[121] As the economy constricted due to sanctions, women were pushed into more traditional roles.[121] Moreover, Saddam Hussein, in an attempt to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists, brought in anti-woman legislation, such as the 1990 presidential decree granting immunity to men who had committed honour crimes.[123]: 202 However, despite Saddam's appeals to the anti-women elements of Iraqi society, according to local NGOs, they concluded that "women were treated better during the Saddam Hussein era and their rights were more respected than they are now."[124]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Iraq

The Criminal Code of 1969, enacted by the Ba'athist party, only criminalized sexual behavior in cases of adultery, incest, rape, prostitution, public acts, or cases involving fraud or someone unable to give consent due to age or mental defect. Homosexuality per se was not a crime, but could be justification for government discrimination and harassment under laws designed to protect national security and public morality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iraq

So I don't know for sure if queer people's lives would have been better, but at least they wouldn't have been automatic criminals.

See above: re Satayana.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I'd trade Iraq for Texas. They have more oil and probably less genocidal bigots, even in light of this news.

At least you can talk Iraqis down from the death penalty.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They were a shithole before we invaded and they are still a shithole. We didn't bomb homophobia into the country.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

And yet, homosexuality was legal then and it's illegal now. Seems like a big difference to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Iraq was a secular country with the best healthcare in the region. The US war made electricity and water no longer available 24/7 and allowed a wave of fundamentalism in. Pretending it was broken before the war is ignorance.

[–] wyre 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Must be time to bomb them back into compliance with western values.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The sad thing is a significant chunk of Lemmy seems to have either forgotten America's role in shaping Iraq into the way it is today or aren't aware of it at all. Satayana would be shaking his head.

[–] Zipitydew 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Iran has been shaping them into what they are now though.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Iran didn't "guide" them into creating a constitution that was deferential to Islam. In fact, the Ba'ath party, which was gotten rid of when Saddam was defeated, was secular. It was the U.S. that did that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

whoosh

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do please tell me what I'm missing. Is the person I was replying to who I was essentially agreeing with also missing the same thing?

[–] otp 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Your original reply seemed like you were talking about the comment, not agreeing with it

[–] wyre 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just to be clear I was joking. I don’t want to bomb anyone ever.

[–] otp 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, and the other commenter got it, but the other other one thought that that other commenter thought you were serious. But the other other commenter was wrong; that other commenter knew you were joking. And so did I.

Man, this is getting confusing. But everyone understood your comment, at least! Lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well I was wrong about someone else being wrong but I think you're about who was wrong or right. Am I right?

[–] otp 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, I think we're both wrong to the right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Three rights make a left.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Bombing isn't really in the Iraq playbook yet.

Maybe it can be added after the latest section on insurrection sand we'll see about next time.