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I wish the EU would just stop getting their grubby hands ibto everything they possibly can
Gotta love the reddit-tier "downvote anyone who disagrees" mindset here. It's like I never even left reddit!
Genuinely curious why you are against pro consumer legislation?
I'm against regulations that get between parties and enforce terms onto voluntary agreement. Why is it the position of government to tell me what products I should and shouldn't want to buy? If you want shit with removable batteries, cool, go out and make your demands heard. But why should your demands be pushed onto everyone else as "pro-consumer" when it ignores the demands of literally any consumers who have different preferences than you? What about the consumer that doesn't give a fuck about usb-c or removable batteries? Why should they be made to buy products designed around standards that aren't important to them?
They have. That's why the regulators are making these laws.
It's pro consumer because it benefits consumers. As of right now, most portable electronics have a built in expiration date. Most people lack the skills to replace a built-in battery and official stores rarely do replacements, so it's down to a 3rd party shop which is difficult for less knowledgeable consumer to find.
It's the same reason why we have any regulations against anti-consumer practices. It's because these practices often rely on deceptive practices and consumers ignorance. In this case, the consumers are not informed that the device they are buying is built to expire after a few years.
I don't see any argument you could make about usb-c or removable batteries hindering your usage of the device.
Most countries mandate that products come with a warranty. I haven't heard anyone saying "what if I want to buy a product without a warranty?" Because why would you?
You're aware that not every personal preference has to be enforced by law, correct? You can express your preferences without calling for any form of government action whatsoever.
No, it benefits some consumers. I, for one, very much would not benefit from this. Batteries replaceable to the standard the EU wants absolutely have downsides, primarily concerning space, meaning either larger devices, or smaller batteries, and in some cases, likely both. For example, if you open up a modern iPhone, you'll find that the battery takes up every nook and cranny it could be fit into. And the phones still maintain a slim design. That shit is basically outright impossible to make under this standard of idiot-serviceability. And because I'm perfectly fine with having to use big scary tools like a soldering iron and heat gun, I have exactly zero problems with buying devices that would require them for service, especially so considering the benefits.
Which doesn't fucking impact me at all. I'm not a less knowledgeable consumer. So why should I be stuck playing by rules for their benefit?
USB c isn't some pinnacle of design. You seriously find it unthinkable that any cable could ever be superior in any way? And I already covered downsides to the idiot-servicable batteries.
More examples of regulations isn't an argument for further regulations because law is not inherently self justifying.
Are you being paid to take every single bad take possible or what?
Lol says the big government simp
Lol says apple simp. See how that's not actually a counter argument see how you actually have to explain your points in order for them to be valid and see how you failed to do so because every single point you come up with lacks evidence.
You have said that it is impossible to make efficient batteries that a user replaceable, but you have failed to demonstrate why this is the case. Phones have historically had use of replaceable batteries for years it's been fine. Manufacturers just realized they could force people to buy new phones more easily if they didn't make the batteries replaceable, it's got nothing to do with efficiency, and everything to do with anti-consumer capitalism.
Your inability to read doesn't qualify as a lack of argument on my part. Sorry dumbass.
Try not talking like this, you'll have more meaningful interactions in your everyday life which aren't immediately hostile to everyone actually engaging with you, resulting in mutually beneficial discussions rather than the arguments you're clearly constantly looking for.
Good god you've missed the point haven't you?
Because companies are not providing products with removable batteries so the consumers refusing to buy products with non-removable batteries doesn't work because there's no alternative product to purchase. Manufacturers know they have consumers in monopoly so they have no reason to change.
The USB c-thing is not just about user friendliness it's also about the environment. Constantly having to throw old charges away because their incompatible with new products produces an enormous amount of e-waste, everyone using the same charger reduces it, which is only a good thing. Also the Apple charger which is what I'm assuming you're going on about is actually less safe than the usb-c standard. I think we can all agree that manufacturers should use safer options when they become available.
If a product has a feature you don't care about, why do you care, just don't use it and you're fine.
There are plenty of products with removable batteries. Not my problem if you don't want them. You're objectively incorrect in saying no alternative products are available.
Cool, don't give a damn
I'm talking more generally about any cable anywhere with superior elements to usb c. But yeah, the lightning port apple made was a massive improvement over micro USB, the standard at the time for everyone else, and is still a significantly more durable charger port than usb c given its external connectors.
I have plenty of issues with apple, but they're a perfect example of making good products that don't conform to these crappy legal standards.
You understand the irony in saying this given that you're of the position that the government should force your preferred features into products regardless, no? I care because I'm stuck with all the downsides of features you want, and companies are literally prohibited from selling me other options.
Products with non-removable batteries are bad for the environment in a number of ways. They hurt even the ones not interested in the product.
OK and?
And the ones getting hurt don't want to.
How dare they make things better for us!
Just because something it better for you, it doesn't mean it's better for everyone
Now try that again and explain why it's not better.
If you're completely incapable of seeing how different people have different priorities in devices they want, i don't see any purpose in bothering with you further.
Again, you aren't specific, you just throw random stuff around.
Don't bother then, since you haven't bothered to say why this is bad for consumers/everyone and instead spent the past two posts avoiding it completely.
I've provided just as much to this conversation as your meaningless nay-saying has. Enjoy a block, shitcan
Lmao. Are you 12 or something? Dude asked for your reasoning so he could better understand why you don't want it.
How does replaceable batteries affect your consumption in a negative way? I think we're all curious on this one.
I genuinely find it astounding that you people find it so utterly incomprehensible that when it comes to designing these things, no choice is without downsides. As I said in the other comment, the idiot-proof standard the EU wants comes at a significant cost to space, and thus device size and battery life. And since I'm already equipped to (and have on multiple occasions) replaced batteries in devices that are meant to be sealed shit and serviced by technicians, I see exactly no benefit whatsoever from these regulations, only the downsides of bulkier devices and worse battery life.
You see no benefit? I see a huge benefit. I can replace my own battery when needed.
You don't want to see a benefit.
I'll gladly take a slightly larger device if it means I can replace my own battery. Make me able to replace the screen as well while we're at it. You know, all those things we used to be able to do in 2010... before they realized they can make more money if they force us to use their own service stations instead of allowing us to do it ourselves
And I can already do that with current devices.
Then you are in a small minority. Don't you think it would be good if it was easier so everyone could have that access?
It only has to be better for most people for this to be a net gain. Nintendo won't otherwise provide us with a choice of whether or not the battery is replaceable.
What most people want should have exactly fucking zero bearing on what I am able to purchase for myself
The alternative is that a minority decides what you're able to buy.
This guy's whole comment history section is about arguing and being a contrarian. I've tagged him as such.
I guess some trolls found their way over.
I downvoted you because every comment from you makes you more of an ass then the previous. You spouted your nonsense opinion and then refused to even elaborate it - either you are here to troll or you have no arguments. However in the end you are just a rude ass.
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downvote anyone who disagreesonly applies to opinions like this, the i guess im gonna keep doing itMaybe you should go back to r/conservative. I'm sure you'd fit in great there...
Yes I'd like one complaint, hold any rationale or reasoning. Thank you.
its for the environment.. EU has set carbon emission goals etc by 2030, and 2050 ?
batteries are terrible for the environment..
but one thing that is worse is.. throwing away a used phone because the battery is terrible, because replacing the battery is gonna cost the same as a new phone.
my last 3 phones, for example, where all replaced because the battery was shit. unable to replace it without paying the same as a new phone..
making products having a replacable battery (available to purchase as well) will cause fewer products to be produced, meaning fewer emissions.
also the old batteries have to be recycled 100%.
OK and? The EU can still go fuck itself. Having a shitty plan doesn't make every shitty step somehow not shit.
Ok