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On the one hand, I think there's an impulse to take deep dives into every Beer Hall Putsch and Reichstag Fire, in an effort to glean patterns of fascism that were particular to that time and place. If you're waiting for the next big western dictator to have a tiny mustache and a vegan diet, it seems like you're fixating more on the ascetics of history than the material conditions. The end result is looking for Weird Dudes In Politics and asserting their particular brand of dressing, acting, or talking strangely is a hallmark of their fascist politics. And if you're not weird enough, you're not a Real Fascist. Trump's a fascist but Nicki Hailey is fine, because Trump's a big wet dude and Hailey is comparatively normal.
On the other, I see a very knee-jerk impulse to credit anything vaguely popular or broadly appealing as "creeping fascism". That quickly gets us to "BLM is Fascism!" and "YouTube Moderators are Fascism!" and "Everyone I Don't Like Is Hitler!" I've seen more than a few conservative Op-Eds asserting that DSA is Fascist because they're a form of National Socialism. I've both Ukraine and Russia denounced as Fascist, both Hamas and Israel denounced as Fascist, both Cuba and America denounced as Fascist, both California and Texas, etc, etc... and it quickly seems to boil down to "Anyone with a police/military doing something I don't like is Fascism".
Okay, but this is something I see from every political angle. Whether its Democrats saying we need to "Mint the Coin" to override obstruction on the Debt Ceiling and "Pack the Court" to undo the conservative majority on the bench or its a Texas/Florida governor asserting state sovereignty to push through school privatization or a new round of border enforcement, the desire to bully past political bottlenecks created by the opposition is a tale as old as Two-Party Politics.
Also, not particularly unusual for people to use the term "Communist" when describing any opposition movement, whether its Trumpian Russo-philes or Biden-esque SJWs.
To quote a particular manifesto
So this isn't unique to fascism, unless we want to describe American politics as grossly fascist from end to end.
That is, again, the end game of any government with sufficient will-to-power. When push comes to shove, the prevailing state government enforces its dictates through violence. And, again, this country is rife with state violence. It wasn't as though the Weimer Government was above killing people. Hell, its not as though the current German government is above killing people.
I think it's great everyone is under the microscope when it comes to authoritarian rule. You're right that the eccentric get targeted more than the corporate straitlaced ones. Packing the court with loyal judges is bad no matter who is doing it, nor for what reason. The fact that this is seen as the only way to fix problems is a problem in itself. It absolutely should be called out. The growing trend of not being allowed to criticize liberal politicians because it helps conservative politicians is terrible. All politicians should be criticized.
I strongly disagree all governments will kill if they're given unlimited power. They might cause death by mismanagement, but it's a special kind of government that actively executes people. Still though, no government should have unlimited power. The people in charge change. There is no guarantee a benevolent dictator will be succeeded by someone who is benevolent, but only by someone who is a dictator. Governments should be productive, but centralizing power has never lead to great outcomes in the long term. I do think the US government is becoming increasingly centralized in the name of eliminating roadblocks. Executive orders and Supreme court rulings are becoming the favourite way of changing laws and that's a dangerous precedent.
Well this is a bit ironic coming from someone who thinks that all governments with "sufficient will-to-power" will move onto murdering political opponents
Name one that hasn't.
Well, that'd depend on what exactly you mean with "will-to-power"