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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

I need y'all to understand: Biden isnt losing votes from the far left. He never had those votes, and could never get them.

He's losing the votes of Muslims and Arabs in Michigan and Philly. He's losing the votes of moderates who are watching Israel's final solution in horror. He's losing the votes of Latinos and Haitians who see the southern border is getting more militarized and more violent every year

[Edit] to be 100% clear: If you oppose Israel's war on Palestine, but plan on voting for Biden this November,this post isn't about you.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 7 months ago (1 children)

75% percent of democrats disapprove of the military action in Gaza.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

People don’t vote a single issue.

Some other horrifying things are on the ballot this year. Authoritarianism, Christian nationalism, reproductive rights, women’s right to medical care, etc.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

That's why I was specific in calling them "Biden Democrats". I'm not including all Democrats here, nor am I including all Biden voters. "[Name] [party members] " is a shorthand way of talking about either the wing of a party, or a voters whose views align with [name]. This genocide is decades in the making, and Biden's wing of the party has been complicit the whole time.

If you vote for Biden, that doesn't make you a "Biden Democrat". Many people currently protesting the war and taking part in actions will end up voting for Biden this November. I won't Shame them for doing what they think is best.

However, this is Biden's legacy. This is what it means to be a "Biden Democrat". Go ahead and vote for him, but for the love of Blåhaj, don't embrace the fascist policies that he's been pushing for decades.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You do realize under the Biden Administration this is the first time the US has ever even abstained from a vote on the security council against Israel? We’re actually seeing a moment where the US and Israel are legitimately talking about working together less… Real progress is being made. Sometimes politicians get stuck constantly supporting something that was once popular but no longer is. Voting for Biden doesn’t mean supporting genocide. It means trying to push the US back to out from this far right hellscape it’s slipped into. It means trying to end Trumps attempt at running for office and it means trying to put an end to MAGA fascists.

Biden isn’t a great president, but he’s at least a decent one that is trying to pay student debt off, cover more Americans with healthcare, and improve infrastructure around the country. All of which are things Trump didn’t remotely do. That’s not even including the obvious Trump destroying LGBT rights, or taking away women and minority rights, or abolishing mechanisms meant to help POC escape the cycle of poverty due to a broken system.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You do realize under the Biden Administration this is the first time the US has ever even abstained from a vote on the security council against Israel?

That's because in the past, when the US finally thought Israel went too far, they would directly pressure Israel to stop. Carter did it. Regan did it. Biden could have done it, but he didn't - either deliberately or through incompetence, it doesn't matter. He continued sending arms to Israel and vetoing enforceable security council resolutions without using ANY of the enormous leverage the US gov has over Israel.

Do you not see the absurdity of rushing arms to a country committing genocide and claiming you oppose the genocide because you abstained from a resolution with no real enforcement possibility? It's a sick fucking joke

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Carter and Reagan didn’t have Russia, China and Iran spreading talking points to pressure the US to stop supporting Israel.

If your enemies are trying to pressuring you to do something, it’s normal to resist that pressure while you try to figure out what they are up to.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

That's a pretty weak argument, nearly every state is calling for an end to genocide.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

What talking points these entities have been spreading this time? I haven't heard any tangible thing from neither Russia nor China, that would warrant an unconditional support for Israel by the US. Only Iran has been notably active in this matter, but even that is via proxies and not directly towards Israel's land integrity. US could just simply anchor their carrier strikes groups and no other action would be needed. How does that justify giving out tonnes of heavy destruction bombs to Israel?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

IMHO, over the decades, if you asked America’s Dems why they wanted to give aid to Israel, you’d likely hear that they wanted to help Jewish people to defend themselves, not that they wanted to help Israel attack its neighbors.

Now that Israel is aggressively on the offense, in a way not seen in decades, the Dems have to turn the cruise ship around so people don’t assume not aiding an offensive action ≠ supporting antisemitism.

Half of my family is Jewish-American, and it’s taken a few months for them to come around and understand that not supporting offensive action ≠ antisemitism. After WW2, and years of experiencing antisemitism, their shields are up. They immediately start to worry when people start aggressively scrutinizing a Jewish community, because that has usually been a precursor to some pretty bad shit.

I kind of get why Biden has felt the need to slow walk this. The history has made this a complex and nuanced thing.

Unfortunately, moving slow isn’t great for a people that are starving.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

And if you aren't planning to vote for Biden, please go read Project 2025 and then explain your logic again, because what Trump and the Christian right has planned will be actual fascism, right in our own backyard.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They don't care about project 2025, they're only concerned with what the Biden admin is doing now. The fact that the only viable alternative is magnitudes worse is immaterial because that requires thinking too much about the consequences of their own actions.

It's all first order moralizing and completely ignoring the 2nd order and follow on consequences. REEEEEEE genocide Joe bad, crickets on Final Solution Donny.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

That's the charitable explanation. The less charitable one is astroturfing in an effort to demobilize Democrat-leaning voters.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

>The Heritage Foundation has published new editions in its Mandate for Leadership series coinciding with each presidential election since 1981. Mandate for Leadership: A Conservative Promise is the ninth report in the series and was published in April 2023, earlier than any past releases. Heritage refers to the publication as a "policy bible"

they've been doing the same shit for 40 years. calling it project 2025 was just a way of staying in Vogue. many think tanks are making projects and naming them after future years.

The heritage foundation don't scare me, at least not anymore than the Democrats.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you think the Democrats and Republicans are as scary as each other you’re playing into the Republican’s propaganda and are not seeing the bigger picture.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Democrats actually have power. The heritage foundation just hopes the Republicans listen to them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

When have they not?

[–] UrPartnerInCrime 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The other legacy is literally trying to overthrow the US government. Anybody not voting for Biden is voting against the US.

There's a time and place to hate Biden, at the polls is NOT THAT PLACE

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Voting against the US? You're making it sound appealing

[–] UrPartnerInCrime 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sure. Go ahead and see actual facism. Ruin it for everyone

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The guy who decided he'd rather genocide a population than win a reelection is ruining it for everybody.

We now live in a world where the "liberal" West thinks it's ok to starve children. Nobody is s safe in that world

[–] UrPartnerInCrime 1 points 7 months ago

Nobody who votes for Biden likes what's happening. We just understand what the (worse) alternative is