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Do you think that's because democratic voters are biologically less likely to vote, or could it be that the DNC is doing a poor job of energizing the base?
Fuck the GOP, of course, but they are absolutely pushing for fascism, and getting fascist policies through, which excites their fascist base.
The DNC has been pushing for tepid liberalism for decades, and when there hasn't been sign of genuine positive change at tangible levels, the DNC will lose voters.
If you can blame voters for not voting, you can blame the party for failing to grab voters as well. It's a two-way street.
You are not the DNC base. You are the fringe. The DNC base is Black, especially Black women. Plus college educated white women. The DNC base likes tepid liberalism, and they vote in EVERY election. That's what makes them the base.
You don't have to alienate your core to appeal more to others. The DNC core decreasingly likes tepid liberalism, which is why backlash against the DNC is growing.
If the DNC isn't actively trying to gain votes, then it's their fault as well for losing votes. Being not as bad as the other guy is not a platform to energize a base, and is why Hillary lost.
The DNC wants to do exactly what you said, not alienate their base. They don't want to risk losing strong supporters to maybe gain flaky supporters.
Leftist votes are just not worth enough when they threaten liberal votes.
Although you're right, the base is getting more leftist. That's the angle you guys should be playing, not this absolutist purity testing crap.
No, the DNC supports the interests of Capitalists, because that's their donor base. That's why they appeal to Capitalists, and feign progressive support.
If leftist votes aren't worth it, then you are making the terrible argument in favor of leftists voting third party, if they aren't needed.
The base getting more leftist does not mean more leftist candidates will be placed by the DNC.
You're hilariously off-base and out of touch.
If all the DNC cared about was money, they would be the GOP.
I'm trying to convince leftists to shut the fuck up and stop risking the giant mass of woefully uninformed voters who swing elections. Also ridiculing you for the stupidity of your takes, but that's just because it's fun, I've given up hope of dissuading you from stupidity. You cling to stupidity as much as MAGA. I just don't want your stupidity to infect the low information independent voters.
The DNC is a Capitalist party that is bought and paid for by their donors, of course they care about money. That's how Liberal Democracy is set up, as long as you have Capitalism and Democracy, the ruling parties will serve Capital before people.
Secondly, I truly do pity you. You're a confident conservative that spends most of their time complaining and whining about leftists, yet also expecting them to agree with your terrible takes just because you aren't an outright fascist. You're absolutely terrible at convincing leftists to vote for liberals, and try to take the moral and intellectual high ground every time someone proves you wrong for it and you start malding, like right now.
I don't expect you to agree with me, because you're all idiots. I think it's fair for you to at least ally with me against the fascists, but maybe you're too stupid to even do that.
Do you ever come up with actual analysis, or do you just mald whenever a leftist proves you wrong?
I dunno what mald means but clearly you just learned a new term so please, say it more. It makes you sound very intelligent and whatever.
It's a slang term that combines mad and balding into malding, referring someone breaking down into an incoherent rage.
Pretty accurate, I'd say, considering you do nothing but cry about leftists on a leftist platform
You gotta be like 14 rofl
You calling me a vampire?
Nah, just a child, though surely that's enough for you to gather.
Dunno what children you're hanging around with, but if their reflections don't show up in mirrors, you might be in danger.
Probably not as much danger as the kids you hang around are in.
I mean, if I could reach through the internet and smack some sense into ya, I would, but unfortunately that's not possible.
What would you consider "sense," out of curiosity? What have I said that's false?
The details are whatever. We can have respectful disagreements on many things.
Anyone who suggests that voting 3rd party will do anything except help trump needs to be smacked until they no longer think that.
When did I say that I was voting third party? You're the one that has been suggesting that leftists can only get meaningful change via voting third party, which I disagree with, because electoralism cannot bring about leftward change within the Capitalist framework, so voting for Biden is the correct answer for a leftist.
I wasn't necessarily referring to you specifically, just a common leftist theme. All the Genocide Joe stuff.
"You're all idiots" sure bud, lmao
Given a large enough data set, there will be outliers. But those few of you who are not idiots are already aware of that, so no need to explain. It's a self-selecting statement.
So you don't actually have anything that I've said is wrong, you just want to call me an idiot because you're anti-leftist, got it.
I mean, if you insist
Biologically? Really? You don't believe that, I don't believe that, I didn't say that, and we're both aware of all that, so it's a dumb thing to say.
As I said, you're not the base.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong and insulting, and just sad that you would consider progressives on par with literal nazis. We are not conservatives. You are just far removed from a realistic understanding of the world.
I don't even have words for how wrong this is
In any case, like I said, when you're promoting a narrative that Democrats and Republicans are equally bad, you're a shit stain on the underwear of humanity. The specific details of how you do your shilling are not terribly relevant. One tiny throwaway line about how the GOP are bad among a screed about how bad the Democrats are - that's nothing.
It's not a dumb thing to say, you just made the blanket claim that not enough democrats are voting without giving a reason why, so it was a useless statement.
I am the base, I vote dem, and you're trying to convince me not to, and to instead vote third party for someone who will represent my views better. You don't have to like me to understand that dems need to appeal to their voters.
How, exactly, is it wrong to say that the DNC upholds the interests of their donors? That's the basis of lobbying.
You aren't progressive, you're anti-leftist and reactionary, which makes you a conservative. You may not be a fascist, but you are conservative.
You've been malding, after I proved you wrong you started throwing insults and crying.
In any case, I never once insinuated that the Democrats and Republicans are equally bad, otherwise I would be advocating for voting third party, instead of saying that leftist organization is easier under liberals than under fascists. You're talking among leftists, of course the GOP are fascists and are seen as scum, I decry the evils of the GOP all the time.
Even now, you call me a shit stain for what I have been correct about this entire time, because you can't actually disprove anything I say, just say "wrong." That's why I asked if you ever do any analysis, you're one of the most right-wing members of lemmy.world, lmao.
Please stop. There's no audience down here, it's just you and me. There's no need to pretend or project.
You're shit talking Democrats because your leftist ass hates Democrats more than Republicans. You call me conservative for the same reason. You are so far down your bubble/rabbit hole of leftism, you are so removed from the reality of actual fascists, that it's easier for you to attack Democrats instead. It's difficult for you to actually conceive of Republicans, they're so far off the scale of what you're familiar with.
You need to return to reality. Leftist fringe ideals are not mainstream, but they are light years closer to Dems than Republicans. So stop attacking Democrats and start attacking fascists. Democrats are not corporatists. They do not rig elections. They do not cut taxes for the rich, raise them for the poor, and then tell the poor they're better off. On almost every single issue there is one party pushing to make things better, and one party pushing to make things worse. It's a very stark choice and if you can't see the difference you need glasses.
And I'm not even saying give up your ideals. I'm saying push for them in the primary, especially in the legislature. But in the general election you should toe the fucking line if you ever want to vote for your ideals again.
> toe the fucking line
what an apt turn of phrase. you might as well say "stand up so i can punch you"
>Democrats are not corporatists.
they absolutely are.
>They do not cut taxes for the rich, raise them for the poor, and then tell the poor they’re better off.
they sure do.
>I’m saying push for them in the primary
i'm not going to vote for democrats twice in one year.
>Please stop. There’s no audience down here, it’s just you and me.
that's where you're wrong!
Ah fuck who made a sacrifice to Putin and summoned you
baby, i'm an anarchist. no gods, no masters.
Wrong alt
what do you think this username means?
I'm not pretending or projecting, I've been honest and forthright with you except for that back and forth bit with the mirror.
I hate Republicans more than Democrats, but because I also hate Democrats, you cannot logically cope with the fact that I hate Republicans more, so you must mald. I have never indicated any positive attention towards the GOP, except in saying they actually appeal to their disgusting fascist base while the DNC continues to peddle tepid liberalism.
I am well familiar with Republicans and their fascism, I deal with them daily. I have nothing but scorn for their views and actually combat them regularly. There are few Republicans on Lemmy, and those that do show up, I usually relentlessly disprove their bullshit, harder than I do yours.
You need to return to reality. Leftism is closer to liberalism than it is to fascism, but liberalism is closer to fascism than it is to leftism. That's why the liberals sided with the Nazis in the Weimar Republic against the leftists.
Democrats are corporatists. They support corporations because they make up the bulk of their donors. The DNC is not a Worker party except for the most progressive among them.
I attack Republicans regularly, you just cannot conceive of that. Check my recent post history, I got banned from [email protected] because the mod made an insanely racist post, and I called him out so hard he locked the sub.
The DNC does not push to make things better, they push for continued liberalism. This is not a simple "Democrats good, Republicans evil" issue, Republicans are fascists, which is in fact horribly evil, but Democrats are liberals, which is certainly not good. It's not nearly as bad as fascism, but is not making the US a better place.
I can't vote for my ideals, you already said I can't. The US is not a functional democracy, because I can't express my views, by your own admission. I must side with what I consider to be a lesser of two evils, and cannot side with what I believe to be positive change. The difference here is that you still think leftists can gain positive change via voting, which has never been the case.
give it to em