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lemmeee
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People deserve to be able to control their own devices, but you are saying that we should be happy if they can get only some control? Having to run even one program that you can't control is bad. So I see no reason why I should be happy with that. I see no reason why we should lower our standards and let somebody get away with doing unethical things to us. We can do much better than that. Hurd is irrelevant and we don't need it. We certainly don't need to let Valve abuse us.
You are right that the world isn't black and white, but proprietary software and libre software are incompatible ideas. You can't have freedom when someone is actively trying to take it away from you. Developers of proprietary software are our enemies and we can't support them. If we let developers have power over us, they will abuse it. It's been happening for decades and it will never stop. We need to work on making our society less dependent on non free software, not find ways to sustain our dependence. If you want to run a proprietary game on your system that's your choice, but we don't have to pretend that the developer of that game isn't doing something unethical and that there isn't an ethical way.
I also don’t think people will take much more abuse, the EU is also pushing back hard against abusive US companies.
Yes, but it's not good enough by itself. It's nice that Windows users can now uninstall Edge or whatever, but it's only in EU and that's just one of many terrible things Microsoft has been doing to their users. It is a small improvement and I'm glad they are doing something (other than spending lots of money on funding free software projects every year), but the law is not enough.
We will keep enough freedom. It’s a gradient.
But you are not just proposing a journey to freedom. You are proposing that we should accept proprietary software and praise companies that develop it, because it will somehow give us more freedom in the future. You want us to support the same type of abuse that we need to get away from.
Uses Godot.
Makes a proprietary game.
Is Facebook planning to do that?
My favorite song! Do you guys know any good covers or remixes?
I get that proprietary software and DRM is a general problem, and Steam is part of that problem, but completely getting rid of that is simply a battle for another time, further in the future. The first battle is to get Windows users abandon their Microsoft/Apple cages, and that’s a win that’s actually within reach now.
The free software movement was started 40 years ago. We can't just give up now. How many years should we wait? People are only becoming more dependent on computers and our problems keep getting worse. Windows users have been able to abandon it many years ago, but they don't care about freedom.
Windows also becomes worse by itself, further accelerating the change.
I had the same feeling about 10 years ago, but users of proprietary software are willing to take a lot of abuse. It's almost impressive how stubborn they are. This includes users of Reddit, Twitter, Apple and others. I don't think Microsoft will lose any significant amount of users just by abusing them more, and when it comes to features, Windows is improving lately.
That’s important, because running a proprietary OS is still much worse than running some proprietary applications or games on a free OS. A closed OS completely shifts control away from the user, leaving only what the developer allows you to do, and it allows the dev to always push his or her agenda by favoring applications from the same developer, and allowing the developer to establish proprietary APIs and libraries like DirectX which was problematic for the competition for quite some time.
I agree that more freedom is better, but if people don't understand the end goal, they will keep making the same mistakes. SteamOS is proprietary. Most of the popular GNU/Linux distros have proprietary software in their repositories. On mobile I see people switching from proprietary Android to proprietary Sailfish OS. They just keep falling in the same traps over and over again. Steam is one of those traps. If GNU/Linux became mainstream on desktop today, I have no doubt that it would be a proprietary distro. Then it will be only a matter of time before it turns into something even more proprietary like Windows. Because why wouldn't it?
A regular user does not understand the ethics behind closed and open source and will never choose a worse free option over a better proprietary one. That either means the free options must become true rivals, or - which is the easier goal for now - the proprietary apps have to run on Linux just as well as people are used to.
That's why we must explain it to them. Some will listen and others will not, but there is nothing else we can do. We are doing our best to rival the proprietary apps, but it's a battle we've been fighting for 40 years. There will always be something missing and even if there isn't, it will always be inconvenient to switch from something you already know. Reddit users could switch to Lemmy, but they won't. If at some point they decide to switch to some other proprietary alternative, that will not fix their problem. It will be only a matter of time before the other company or developer starts abusing them too.
A “war” isn’t being won all at once instantly, but by winning several smaller battles after one another. Which takes time.
I know, but if we make compromises on our freedom, we will never keep it. The companies that make proprietary software will not let us. They could make money from developing libre software instead, but they don't have to, because our society thinks non free software is fine.
I wasn't disregarding Valve's contributions to free software. I'm glad to hear that they have contributed so much and I would like to read more about them if you have the links. They deserve to be praised for that, but it doesn't cancel out all the bad things that they've been doing for many years. Microsoft (for example) contributes to free software too, but at the same time they take away their user's freedom. Valve deserves criticism for this just like Microsoft deserves criticism for the unethical things that they are doing. It's awesome that Valve is contributing to a good cause in the last few years, but look how much freedom they have taken away from us.
It seems very important to you that people use GNU/Linux, but if they will be using Steam and other proprietary software, how is that better than them using Windows? They still won't be able to control their own computers, so what's the point? The goal isn't to have people leave one proprietary ecosystem to become trapped in another. The goal is for them to have freedom. I want to live in a free society. The only way to make that happen is to destroy proprietary software. So as long as Valve makes non free software and takes away their user's freedom with DRM, they are our enemy. Just like Microsoft, Apple, Google and any other company that does the same.
It seems that your goal is to have the most features, but the goal of GNU/Linux and the free software movement is to have freedom - something that Valve doesn't want their users to have.
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GOG's client is proprietary, which is terrible, but at least it's not required and there is a libre alternative - Heroic Games Launcher (it works on GNU/Linux too).
We weren't attacking anybody. But I'm stick of people defending companies that take away our freedom.
We should celebrate Linux becoming more inclusive and easier to use not scream at other people for making a decision weather it was informed or not.
Why should I be happy that proprietary software is easier to use? I want to destroy it. I want to live in a free society.
I try to be helpful and friendly to newcomers but straight up telling people they should feel bad for making a choice doesn’t fix anything or making negative remarks on something someone is excited about.
If we don't inform people about this, it will get even worse. Nothing will stop other companies from doing the same.
Nvidia is trying to make more of their driver open source, the very thing you guys get a hard on about when you complain about it. It’s for the same reason AMD is open source(free labor and vulnerability patches) but still good because better experience.
But they aren't free software yet. So there is nothing to be grateful for yet. Right now they are taking away their user's freedom. People deserve to be able to control their own computers.
And guess what, I own an amd cpu and even I can’t ignore them artificially moving the price of their new cups and gpus up the price stack while neglecting to release cheaper more obtainable parts like they used to. It’s almost like they’re all greedy companies and your stiffie for AMD cards are unwarranted.
Get fucking real, instead of getting bent you should shop for hardware like you’d shop for a toaster oven the features you want, the best value, for the cheapest price.
This is an issue of ethics. It's not about price or features: https://piped.video/watch?v=Ag1AKIl_2GM
Someone should tell him that Lemmy and Mastodon exist.
The attitude towards Nvidia is toxic considering some people need it for work and other people just don’t have the choice to switch.
Have you ever considered that we are in this mess, because of people like you? Nvidia is abusing their users and instead of admitting that, you choose to defend them and make up excuses for them. Think about what you are doing. As we speak there is somebody else somewhere making the same excuses for Microsoft, Apple, Google or any other shitty company. Nobody wants to prevent those companies from making money, we just want them to do it in an ethical way. If not, they can fuck off.
It looks awesome! Unfortunately Artemis-RGB is proprietary software. OpenRGB's Effects Plugin has an Ambilight option, so maybe that could be used instead? I'm not sure how much you can configure it.
I see this a lot in discussions about climate change lately: country X is polluting just as much or more than us so we shouldn't do anything. This argument makes no sense.