Varyk

"and it's a little weird to be so invested in what color it is"

it is weird you care enough to continually rant about these issues and swear you don't care, so it's good you're joining me outside.

"conspiracy theories"

these are the documented, court-confirmed facts Jack.

doesn't matter if you don't like em.

keep up with your "cope and seethe".

for sure. I have the time though, so I don't mind putting up facts each time they spout off.

exactly.

it's bizarre that manual ballot counts with oversight are not the norm, all they can do is establish what happened.

there's no downside.

"I'm literally out there multiple days of the week organizing"

got it, thanks for that, but here you're venting futility all out here without any reason to.

"I don't think you're fixated on civil rights"

that's your problem right there.

"you're fixated on..."

remember how you were wrong the previous times you tried to make assumptions?

you're wrong here too.

If you care about helping people, be aware that your defeatist whinging here is counterproductive to your stated goals.

"not slapping a new coat of paint on..."

if you're living in the states then you are literally slapping new paint on the war machine every 4 years.

where do you think your taxes go?

"the thing you're fixated on is the futile thing"

The only way you can think civil rights are futile is if you have already given up.

If that's the case, then take yourself out of the equation and stop talking about issues you don't care about.

If you haven't given up, explain how making sure people have civil rights is futile.

"it assumes..."

no, it doesn't. you're making assumptions, don't do that.

"special interests" (it's the capitalist class..."

Yes, those are special interests.

"I don't think a qanon style campaign to stop the steal is realistic"

this is literally what I'm telling you. step away from qanon, Focus on real evidence and making changes that benefit people.

you're fixated on the futility of everything, but you are incorrectly assuming that nothing can be changed because you are not willing to fight for that change.

that is simply incorrect.

people thought Trump was going to have his second term 4 years ago, and then he was voted out.

change happens all the time, you're complaining that it can, despite overwhelming constant evidence that things are always changing.

Regardless of the outsized influence special interests have, Americans have had and still have a say in who they elect.

you are fixating on how difficult change is instead of understanding that things perpetually change and it's the fight to change systems that changes systems.

you're fighting for futility, I'm advocating realistic change.

you might be bummed out because of the election results, but that's no reason to stop making things better.

you're still here and so is everybody else, and in the Cassandric words of steve Harwell,

"We could all use a little chaaaAAAnge".

as long as you're choosing to be in that system, the will of the electorate should be exerted to its side host when choosing their president.

the alternative you are suggesting is that because there are outsized special interests influencing you a selection, people shouldn't have any say.

which I cannot agree with.

it's a popular, simple opinion, doesn't require you to do anything but it certainly doesn't change anything for the better or have any positive benefits.

nobody's arguing that the fix you're talking about isn't in, those computer scientists and I agree that we should try to fix the fix.

sure, kind of.

that all obligly agrees with what I've been saying.

you finally read some of those sources?

I'm very pro better late than never, good on you.

in the future, I'd appreciate it if you read things you comment on first before making claims based on assumptions.

have a good one

"Feel free to source it with concrete probable claims"

19 credible sources are available throughout the paper that you didn't read and you are mosinformed about both the stolen voting machine data and the fake electors scheme.

if you don't know any of this, you're out of your depth here.

"concrete evidence of interference."

Great, there is a mountain of concrete evidence of election and ballot interference over the past several years, up to today.

from 4 years ago, then 2 years ago, then during the 2024 election, and in between.

you're not making any sense.

the open letter and even wikipedia directly provides the evidence you claim to be interested in.

"Yes. It was never put into practice. Trump did try to institute a coup, but failed."

nope, you are entirely incorrect here as well.

The fake electors scheme was put into practice nationally. fake electors mailed out false ballots to NARA and Mike Pence in an effort to steal the election before the real ballots arrived in the mail.

The National Archives discovered that the ballots were false and negated them.

The fake electore scheme absolutely went into practice, people have admitted to participating in it, taken guilty plea deals and are still going through trials because of their participation in the fake electors scheme.

If you need more clarification, ask questions but for goodness' sake, read something first so you have a baseline of knowledge before you talk about something.

you're entirely misinformed with regard to recent election interference.

yeah, these data leaks are all about break into iOS specifically to access iCloud data and accounts, I don't know about their backup servers.

If they can get the data up front, why go around the back?

The iCloud leak from 2014 was all leaked login information also, it's why they finally implemented encryption.

oh but Apple officially says that the 2014 attack was only due to fishing and brute Force attacks.

idk, enforcing encryption directly after that was a good idea, but I doubt they would do it unless it was necessary or vulnerable.

exactly, my voter registration was purged and I had to re-register this year.

there's been election interference going on by Republicans for decades and this time they stole voting software specifically used in the presidential election, there are good reasons why we should do manual ballot counts.