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Honestly wtf was up with old time adventure people? They'd like drag a whole fucking house with them, "Oh dear I can't spend a week in Antarctica without a claw foot bathtub!"

At no point did I advocate for the criminalization of sex work, I was arguing about the morality of consuming the content or using the services of sex workers.

Making directly providing sexual services illegal, which is "intended" to stop "sex trafficking" and punish "pimps" but in reality forces transactions underground and in the dark, facilitating sex trafficking and leading to victims being harassed and prosecuted far more than perpetrators.

This gets said a lot but I think it's actually questionable how true it is. I'll try and dig it up when I'm not at work but there was a study done in the Netherlands that found legalizing sex work actually increased human trafficking since it created semi-legal loop holes that traffickers could exploit to conduct their trade in a legal gray area. Also, pedophiles still exist under a legal sex work system so there'd still be a market for trafficking children.

Personally I support the Nordic model, but not fully criminalization.

Sex workers of all kinds want sexual services decriminalized

Independently employed adult sex workers who enjoy being in the industry say this. And their opinions are valid. But they are a minority in the global sex trade. Most women being coerced into sex work would prefer it if the part of the industry they are in were to be completely abolished and I think it's debatable if making legal sex work easier would actually be a boon to that cause or not.

There are so many jobs that don't NEED to exist, and yet they do

Yes but a lot of those jobs utilize skills that society does need in order to function and ideally a socialist society could redirect those labors in a more socially healthy way. Nobody should work at fucking McDonalds but we will always need food prep workers until Star Trek replicators become a thing. That doesn't really apply to most sex work though.

If you genuinely enjoy doing it, go for it, no shame there, but if we're discussing the morality of consuming the content it's always going to be morally dubious cuz there's no way to 100% confirm the person providing it is doing so totally consensually unless you have mind reading powers, or at least know a lot of intimate details about their personal life.

You're describing a problem that is common across "industries" as if it were unique to sex work, when it's not.

Yes, which is why I'm a socialist.

Thing is we humans usually understand that sex ads a different dimension too things, since it is one of the most physically and emotionally intense things humans do. Sex crimes are consider more heinous than non-sex crimes, porn is considered more graphic than a regular romance film. Hence I don't think we can pull this "muh sex work is just like coal mining" Schtick, everyone knows it's kinda bullshit, people just have a hard time articulating why. Also, there's important infrastructure that relies on coal, you can't really boycott coal completely, you don't really NEED to watch a video of a woman using a dildo on herself as fun as it may be.

If you are doing only fans or similar how are you not consenting? It's fully on your terms.

Issue is you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. That woman on OnlyFans could be in horrible debt or have a manipulative boyfriend or some other social factor pressuring her into it when she actually hates it. But part of the appeal of OnlyFans is that its "more ethical" than regular porn so they have to keep up the façade of "loving their job".

Now are there women who genuinely like doing it and are just in it long enough to pay their way through med school or whatever? Yeah probably, and I kinda doubt the women who have two blogs and a podcast about how much they love doing sex work are faking it cuz that'd be A LOT of effort just to sell people on your OnlyFans. Truth is thought under capitalism there is not 100% sure fire way to know if the woman is doing this 100% consensually. Heck you probably wouldn't ever have that under socialism, but the likelihood would at least be higher.

In my experience, most people know this, but they change their rhetoric based on how much they sympathize with the cause in question. If they sympathize a lot they support disruptive action, if they're only kinda sympathetic they call for civility and "reaching out to people", if they don't at all they say they'd only support a letter writing campaign.

UBI without some sort of partner program to de-commodity the things humans need to live (food, shelter, healthcare) and eventually things we need to live a decent life (education, recreation) would likely lead to a situation like in The Expanse where the "basic income" is truly basic, just enough to live off ramen noodle and rent a crap studio. What jobs there were would be hotly competed over since everyone wants more to life than microwaved noodles and playing the first Halo on a 20 year old Xbox.

This may sound a bit weird, but it's a random thought I've had, does anyone ever feel like memes like this almost make us leftists come off a bit too idealistic and romantic?

Lemme clarify where I'm coming from here. As I get older, I'm in mg 30s now, I've come to the realization a lot of people don't want the life of a bohemian artist who's traveling constantly and does six different types of creative hobby. A lot of people want a kinda boring stable life with a house, a job that's rewarding but not too physically or mentally taxing, enough time off to take a nice vacation once or twice a year, and the resources to keep them and their family comfortable. I guess I say this cuz this is increasingly how I feel as I get older. Add this to the fact that I don't think FALGSC is coming anytime soon, if Mecha Lenin pulled off the perfect revolution today we'd still probably have a few generation of people needing to pull 9-5s before we got to the point we could all be space traveling poets like in Star Trek so maybe don't oversell what we can deliver to people alive now? Focus on shit an actual socialist government could achieve in our lifetimes, like public housing, more vacation time, free healthcare?

Dude, you have some hair in your face.

Some days are a good day to die, some days are a good day to get EGGs

It's Miss Zimbabwe, not Miss Rhodesia

I don't think Burning Man has gotten any black teenagers killed

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