L*bs em rightfully called out Russian involvement in 2016, but will now die on the hill that trump is totally honest here, that he won fair and square and there shouldn't even be an investigation. Why are they (and you) so desperate to protect trump from scrutiny into his third blatant attempt to steal the election?
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I've been banned from liberal communities for sharing info about election fraud, and told by the liberals there that it's clearly not true. Only other leftists I've met have agreed that trump cheated. It's very, very much not a blue thing, because l*bs want to defend the status quo and protect trump from the legal consequences of his actions. You're just not paying attention if you think liberals are the ones saying this (or if you genuinely think that elon doesn't "know the machines" and that him buying votes or trump winning all the swing states with really fishy metrics isn't at all incriminating)
Feels a lot to me like "Well imagine if you were gay in Gaza". Whether or not there's a lot of shitty elements to their culture, imperialist aggression is evil and civilians don't deserve to be killed and have their homes and children stolen, and the side you support should be perfectly clear from that alone (I say all this knowing I'm probably more likely to be hate crimed for being gay in Ukraine than Gaza, because again, a country having a lot of nazis doesn't excuse invasion and ethnic cleaning)
That's probably true of most things people think/say about the IDF at this point. Even my massively zionist "most moral military" aunt is calling it a genocide and is starting to oppose them
That's what I wrote, you're just repeating yourself xp
Huh??? It's blues staunchly denying anything is fishy about the election, lefties are the only ones calling out the obvious cheating
Liberals are now so caught up in respectability politics that they'll downvote you for calling Trump a fascist. The same people who (rightfully) screamed about collusion the first time around. Absolutely wild and horrifying how far the Overton window has shifted in such a short amount of time
You pay for those now, it's not verification of anything (other than that you're a nazi who proudly supports elon)
If you just deny it hard enough, all the evidence and incriminating statements just fade away and you can pretend the nazis are just respectable, honest political opponents who haven't straight up admitted to tampering with voting machines :)
I'm cool with fighting for some things liberals also fight for, especially those kinda of voting reforms, bc along with ensuring conservatives lose every election, i bet it'd force liberals to actually appeal to the left to not risk losing to real progressives. Sadly they'll prob stop supporting that the moment it actually threatens to change the status quo at all
"as opposed to picking the non-fascist" Liberals are fascists. They have done nothing at all to oppose trump. When they stop siding with fascists over progressives literally every single time, maybe you'll have something remotely resembling a point
When there's 9 people at a table and a fascist sits, etc etc
It's seriously insane how hard people are working to misinterpret you, there's no way people other than op are approaching this in good faith. You made it clear you're not a tankie, these people just can't stand the idea that their beliefs require proof or that there are people who aren't swayed by rhetoric alone (edit I def thought this was a tankie comment at first, that's how it sounded at first but you've made it abundantly clear that's not what it is)
"You're trying to prove a negative, they should just realize that" "they should just" is a pointless take to have on anything. people will never "just", they need convincing, and different people are convinced by different things. It's a tough subject to research, you've got one side claiming they're all nazis that deserve to be conquered and another that thinks they're all saints and can do no wrong, and I don't blame people at all for wanting evidence that the very real nazi groups in Ukraine aren't representative of everyone there, or even the whole military