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92% of the reason why it sucks to be brazilian (programming.dev)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Yes, you're looking at ~92% tax right there. Final price jumped from ~113 dollars (584BRL) to ~220 dollars.

EDIT: A bit of clarification, when buying from abroad there's a flat 60% federal tax if the thing + shipping price surpasses 50 dollars. Then there's a state tax that can vary between 17-25%, which goes on top of the total taxed value. Part of the tax is literally "tax of a tax"

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[-] [email protected] 72 points 7 months ago

Hey, free shipping.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

grátis.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

De graça

[-] [email protected] 63 points 7 months ago

Pakistan coming in with 50% phone tax + ~~18%~~ 25% luxury item sales tax + 50% customs duty + 7% service fee + cash money you need to bribe customs to release your package + shipping & handling

[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

And I thought I had it bad in Germany (knew about brazilian already) with shipping + 19% import tax + 6€ import handling by DHL.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Fortunately no 6€ handling fee for sellers using IOSS, like AliExpress.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

In these areas where bribes are so commonplace for all manner of interactions I just can't help but wonder how it goes on so long without anyone being desperate enough and wild enough to just pull a gun or a knife and basically say, "My bribe payment to you is just do your damn job and I let you live."

Or I guess maybe that does happen and then those people get disappeared.

[-] emergencyfood 14 points 7 months ago

In India, usually they don't demand a bribe. They will process your file slowly, with the understanding that you can speed it up by bribing them.

From what I understand, Pakistan does not properly regulate weapons. But it would still be rather stupid to threaten a public servant. If you are that sort of person, smiling at the official and remarking on his good health might be a better idea. A less aggressive trick is to let them think that you are from the press / have a camera or microphone / have marked currency.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago

I guess this is supposed to stop you guys from buying stuff in USD, right?

[-] [email protected] 57 points 7 months ago

From buying stuff from abroad in general. If it's imported, it can be taxed. Before Haddad (current economy minister), it was a gamble whether you'd be taxed or not, most of the time you weren't. Now, "to combat contraband", Aliexpress gave the thumbs up to this fucking stupid idea.

[-] [email protected] 59 points 7 months ago

Oh yeah great idea. To combat black market activity, let’s make the open market extremely expensive to use.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

I think the real irony is that, up to 1993, it's safe to say 99% of all computers we had here were contraband, because the taxes back then were even more absurd. Never mind the hyperinflation of the time.

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Worked at a trade expo years ago. Talked to Brazilians. Another issue they ran into is corruption.

They were doing their best to temporarily export stuff to Europe, but there were endless delays in Brazil, and sudden and unforseen 'extra fees' that needed to be paid to get stuff out of the country.

Guy wasn't even angry anymore. Just sad. His fellow countrymen were undermining a Brazilian business out of sheer greed.

Incredibly short sighted too.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Don't blindly believe everything people tell you. Quite often, the reason why these "entrepreneurs" have to pay bribes is because they didn't go through official channels and/or don't have the necessary permits to operate.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Incredibly shortsighted too

That’s business. Cash now. The rest is fuck you, cash now.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Brazil’s government heavily pushes for things to be made there. A place I worked several years ago had an office there for some final assembly or something for products sold there.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Thats a lie. This policy was negotiated mostly with the burgeouis resellers.

We have NO concrete plan to actually industrialize.

[-] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago

Dude, Argentina recently updated this from 100% tax to 155%. We literally pay more to the government than the full price. And this is for every purchase, no matter the amount. Be thankful that your shitty politicians are less shitty than ours, you could be worse.

[-] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago

"Be happy about your horrible situation because there are more horrible situations out there" is such a shitty take.

Basically you're saying "unless you're the single most unfortunate person on the planet, maybe even throughout all of human history, you should be happy", which is obviously nonsense.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Fallacy of relative privation (informal fallacy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Be thankful and be happy are different things. "Wow, I'm thankful I'm not that fucked up like the guy over there. I should take steps to totally get away from the path that leads to that place."

It's like looking your future self in a mirror, you still can do something to get away from that bad omen.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago

...I'm sure that dude that just got in charge will sort it out soon shudders

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

lol, I genuinely don't know if this is advanced sarcasm, good one

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

That is insane

[-] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago

Have those tariffs been successful at building a domestic source for these kinds of things?

[-] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago

Not even close.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

When the impostos is sus

[-] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

Denmark. I bought something from the US. About 300 DKK. I had to pay for shipping. About 300 DKK. I had to pay the toll. I had to pay a mandatory 120 DKK fee for the postal service to charge the toll. I had to pay taxes on the fee. I had to pay taxes on the purchase. I had to pay taxes on the shipping.

In the end I paid about 1000 DKK for a 300 DKK package.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Here in the US, I bought a used school bus to convert into a skoolie and I paid $3600 for it. To register it as a motorhome I had to pay a 6% tax, so $216 dollars, and that was it. I know of a few people in Europe who bought similarly-priced US buses and had them shipped over. For buses that cost around $4000, they had to pay that amount again for shipping and then double that amount for the various taxes and import fees, so a $4K bus cost them $15K to $20K.

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[-] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago

I would have guessed burning alive in Rio was the reason it would suck to be Brazilian

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Rio is nowhere as bad as half the rest of the territory in matters of extreme heat. Mato Grosso, Amazonia and Pará are frequently way worse, and also where the majority of illegal forest fires for land clearing happen.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

Is that some sort of import tax or an absolutely insane sales tax?

[-] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

Federal import tax, plus state tax based on the total value with the federal tax

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

And they don't even get to speak Brazilian. They have to speak Portuguese.

And I would not want to deal with the waxing, either.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I was part of a Reddit gift exchange ages ago, before they separated domestic from international. I had to ship a $30 coffee mug to Brazil and it cost $220. Oof.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Tell them to mark it as a gift, works around here 🤷.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Doesn't work in Brazil. Gifts cannot be sent from a business to a person, and even then there's a 50 USD limit.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You tell him to send it as a person 🤷.

What I've found out over the years is that Chinese will agree to almost anything to make a sale 😂.

And you can always claim engineering samples if it's a gift from a company 😉.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

i'm afraid they make no such exceptions here.

and its being taxed directly at the platform, so no chance of asking them to claim a lower price like we used to do before. we have to find another way.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

My Pine64 order wasn't marked as a gift, and it turned up at my door completely untaxed 😳

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Have you tried this trick before?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Customs officers hate him because of this one weird trick!

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They do, they really do 😂. There is this one gal, Melanie, she calls me personally to ask me "how long do you plan on doing this 😒... eventually you're gonna get caught 😒" 🤣🤣🤣. I just say "I have no idea what you're talking about, I just have a lot of relatives in wherever" 🤣🤣🤣.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yep, works on the Balkans 👍.

They can't charge you for anything, since they'd have to check if it's really a gift or not, and they'd rather sit on their asses than do that 😂.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

laughs in Argentina

It can always be worse

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Graças a Deus comprei meu RPi 4b na pandemia. Paguei só os 600 com case, cartão de memória 64gb, fonte e cabo HDMI.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

That is insane, it's literally a robbery

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