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Full List of Public Figures Defending Susan Sarandon [Nov 22 2023 | Billie Schwab Dun | Newsweek] (www.newsweek.com)

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Article on subject:

Susan Sarandon dropped by talent agency after remarks at pro-Palestine rally [Nov 21 2023 | Adrian Horton | The Guardian] https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/nov/21/susan-sarandon-pro-palestinian-remarks-uta-dropped

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I can't read the article, what did she say?

[–] [email protected] 84 points 9 months ago

Nothing that any sane, educated human would view as antisemitic. Anti-Netanyahu, sure. Anti war-crimes, yes. Pro hamas, no. Pro peace, yes

This is not an anti-jewish stance at all.

""" You don’t have to be Palestinian to care about what’s happening in Gaza. I stand with Palestine. No one is free until everyone is free. https://t.co/23JHFbuf5K — Susan Sarandon (@SusanSarandon) November 4, 2023 """

[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

edit: these->this

This is some of what she said:

Newsweek:

"You don't have to be Palestinian to care about what's happening in Gaza," she wrote alongside the snap with members of the Palestinian Feminist Collective. "I stand with Palestine. No one is free until everyone is free."

At the rally, Sarandon said: "There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country."

Guardian:

In remarks captured on video, Sarandon encouraged others to keep speaking up in support of Palestinians in the Israel-Hamas war. “People are questioning, people are standing up, people are educating themselves, people are stepping away from brainwashing that started when they were kids,” said Sarandon at the rally. She encouraged attendees to “be strong, be patient, be clear and stand with anybody who has the courage to speak out” and thanked “the Jewish community who’s come out to have our backs”.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (15 children)

There is nothing offensive there. She's right, those attacking her are just vehemently against honest conversation about this issue.

This is similar to the idiocy of the Red Scare, where anything less than "I LOVE MARKET CAPITALISM BECAUSE SUPPLY SIDE JEEBUS TELLS ME SO!" made you a blacklisted, ostracized filthy commie pinko.

Except, you know, "standing with Israel" no matter how many war crimes their well funded government and military commits against mostly children with nothing because of a terrorist attack most Palestinians had nothing to do with.

I'll just leave this here:

https://m.thewire.in/article/world/chart-6407-palestinians-and-308-israelis-killed-in-violence-in-last-15-years

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Way more Palestinians died in 2023 than Israelis. What even is this graph?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This data is from october, shortly after the beginning of the conflict and the instigating Hamas attack, before Israel really started their onslaught.

I haven't found a more up to date graph, but it makes the point of who's been getting killed in the last 15 years. People respond more to graphs than words.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

At the rally, Sarandon said: "There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country."

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I do find this thing she said dogy...

“There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.”

I don't think Jewish people need reminding of the west's antisemitism - the west literally invented it and, despite all pretences to the contrary, has merely tried to hide it from view as opposed to actually dismantling it.

But apart from that her words are perfectly reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (22 children)

As an American Jew, I've almost gotten used to facing anti-semitism from the right. A Republican politician is tacitly approving of Nazis waving swastika flags and chanting anti-semitic slogans? Must be a day that ends in Y.

What's scared me is the anti-semitism I've seen from some on the left. I'm not talking about criticizing Israel or wanting the Palestinians to be safe. I don't count that as anti-semitism. I'm talking about people on the left saying that all Jews are responsible for what Israel is doing and saying that American Jews (including Jewish temples and Jewish owned businesses) are legitimate targets because Israel did stuff they disagree with. And then there are others on the left who try to gaslight Jews who say they are encountering anti-semitism - telling them that they aren't and are just imagining it.

Intellectually, I know this is a very vocal minority, but suddenly hearing this from the left while still hearing anti-semitic remarks from the right has me scared and not feeling safe. I don't want to publicly identify myself as Jewish in public for fear of encountering someone who either hates me for my religion or who holds me responsible for the actions of a country that I'm not a citizen of.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

people on the left saying that all Jews are responsible for what Israel is doing and saying that American Jews (including Jewish temples and Jewish owned businesses) are legitimate targets because Israel did stuff they disagree with.

yeah that's fucked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

With all due respect, I've yet to see any Leftist discourse saying anything remotely like what you've written. Even on Hexbear.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Thats really awful. It's not OK to make all Jews wear the blame for another country's actions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

welcome to the irrationality of racism

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.”

I don't think Jewish people need reminding of the west's antisemitism

To read the original comment again, you may find it's not about proving or disproving one form of hate but comparing with another level of hate in the country.

And, while there's no Olympic medal for hate victims being more victimized than another, the physical brand of hate muslims can be a little exceptional after the 1900s. Not being a member of either group, my read of the 'taste of' quote would have been more received if the comparison to Germany in the late 1900s was more blatant.

But I'll take this moment to add: the friends I have whom I know follow Judaism do not hate like one state demands they hate. And that needs to change.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

But I’ll take this moment to add: the friends I have whom I know follow Judaism do not hate like one state demands they hate. And that needs to change.