The kind of class solidarity I can only dream of as a yank
Technology
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Our Rules
- Follow the lemmy.world rules.
- Only tech related content.
- Be excellent to each another!
- Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
- Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
- Politics threads may be removed.
- No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
- Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
- Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
Approved Bots
There are three battles wise men know not to fight:
- A land war in Asia
- The Finns in winter
- Swedish Unions
Three days later, on November 20, the Seko union, which represents postal workers, will stop delivering letters, spare parts, and pallets to all of Tesla’s addresses in Sweden. “Tesla is trying to gain competitive advantages by giving the workers worse wages and conditions than they would have with a collective agreement,” said Seko’s union president, Gabriella Lavecchia, in a statement. “It is of course completely unacceptable.”
Interesting that it is legal to withhold mail. In many countries that would be a crime.
There are many ways to legally do this. They may just adhere to regulations more strictly. Where before they would bend the rules to help out.
They might just schedule Tesla's mail for the end of the day and be extra "careful" that day. Oops, there wasn't enough time to deliver their mail! Maybe after a few days of a customer's mail building up, there's a rule saying the customer has to come in and get it themselves. Following all the rules exactly will fuck up any system because they are rarely created with overall productivity in mind.
"This parcel is kinda sus and looks like bomb parts. Regulations says to fill form A123 and wait for ministry that no longer exists fill form B456. Whatever, regulation says so."
Probably pretty hard to punish your entire work force. Next they could start boycotting you for punishing them. Or maybe their tariff contract may also cover this as legal strike action.
I wonder if the difference is in refusing to deliver, but allowing pickup
They don't withhold, they just don't deliver.
Maybe Tesla even can send their employee to pick up letters and stuff. Right, nobody want to work at Tesla. Well, tough luck.
As a Dane I’m bloody embarrassed if Danish unionised workers are unloading the cars there. They should bloody strike with their Nordic brothers and sisters.
How does Tesla treat their workers and wages in Denmark? Are they bellow par?
I don’t live in Denmark so I don’t know. But I don’t think Tesla has signed a deal with any union, globally, so it’s probably the same there. I’d personally love to see the Space Baby brought to heel. Growing up with unions as a natural fabric of society, and indeed with unions on the boards of most business in Denmark, it’s never appeared as an adversarial thing to me until I moved to an Anglo-Saxon country.
Worker solidarity is lovely to see. Good luck Sweden!
Thank you! We will strangle them out!
Proud to be a member of the Swedish metalworkers union!
Black metal or death metal workers? 🤘🤘
We are music agnostic, need to keep our eyes on the ball and not descend into the madness that is metal genre debates.
Will someone please give me the cliffs notes on how Tesla has pissed off the Swedes?
It didn't sign a deal with the unions and tried to strongarm its way through it
I see, so another case of Americans thinking their rules apply everywhere.
To be fair, Tesla is owned by a South African who immigrated to Canada, then the US - and had apartheid slaves do the hard part of precious stone mining.
Much like the former cheetoh in chief, completely removed from the realities others face, and never had to deal with consequences.
It isn't a solely American thing, though we may be the world champs at it.
And now they suffer the consequences, serves them right.
That seems unwise.
Reading the article, it seems they do not have basic minimum wages set federally and collective agreements are the basis in all workplaces.
I have to wonder if Tesla will just find other ways to get the product into the country instead. Unconfirmed local reports say that the cars are being unloaded in Danish ports then driven into Sweden.
Toys are Us refused to sign a collective agreement in the mid 90s but was convinced to sign after similar strike actions.
So it seems Sweden might still have a strong union environment and will be able to affect public sentiment about Tesla in the long term as they even mention people refusing services from Tesla based taxis.
Would love to see this happen in the US. Would be a total shitshow but very entertaining to watch.
Not legal, unfortunately.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft%E2%80%93Hartley_Act
The Taft–Hartley Act amended the 1935 National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), adding new restrictions on union actions and designating new union-specific unfair labor practices. Among the practices prohibited by the Taft–Hartley act are jurisdictional strikes, wildcat strikes, solidarity or political strikes, secondary boycotts, secondary and mass picketing, closed shops, and monetary donations by unions to federal political campaigns.
Isn't unionizing a crime in some states or somesuch?
In some ways I'm surprised by the confusing name of right to work states which turns out to be really easy to fire states.
“Right to work” refers to the fact that in those states, unions cannot force membership or payment, or force you to participate in labor strikes. You can still have a union in those states, but it’s very difficult for them to be effective because most people will choose not to pay into it, and strikes have significantly less bargaining power if there’s no legal obligation for union members to follow through with a strike.
The result is that in such states, there are very few unions, and so very few protections against firing workers for arbitrary reasons.
Please everyone get on board with this. Do not support greedy corporations!
Tesla, Amazon, Starbucks, are all trying to stop there workers from unionizing and giving them better life. You have other options, don’t give them money. This is because in todays world we vote with our money to make change happen.
their*
And yes, there are very few things most people aren't able to get elsewhere from another company. It's only a bit inconvenient at first, when you have to spend some time finding better alternatives but once you've done that it's just as easy as before and you feel good about your choices.
This is what happens when capitalism tries to fight with democracy. If government fucks over citizens, then citizens ignore government, but if government represents and helps citizens, citizens will do "Tesla, fuck you!".
EDIT: or when unions work.
Waiting for the "damn commies" comments.
If The Swedes are commies then just call me Comradesson!
- an American who collaborates with our office in Sweden.
Kamratsson in Swedish.
Fun fact: In Sweden it is common use the phrase "Work comrade" (arbetskamrat) to refer to your colleagues.
Dude what the actual fuck are you saying, almost the entirety of lemmys user base is extremely left and pro communism and socialism. In fact, certain parts are so communist, they got defederated. And you'll see what people call "tankies" everywhere. Lemmy is the epitome of leftist thinking and ideals. What a silly comment to make, here, of all places. It would make sense on twitter
Edit: this comment would be legit on Facebook too
Good
Please let it spread
Good
Teslas in Sweden are probably going to have a lot of flat tires in the near future.
Just the ones in the warehouses. Unions don't get mad at the public. They get mad at shitty, oppressive, conservative employers.
It's Sweden, not France
Oh, you mean a mass movement of anarcho-communist activism would slash the tires of private cars?
No.
It's even wilder. This is just normal people having a union.
I find it fascinating that they have no legislation about workers rights. I am curious if any Swedes could inform me how the "conservative" style movements are doing in Sweden.
Well, I guess I have two thoughts on that. For one, what you're probably thinking of is seen as basically qanon freaks. The other is that of course there's a political right, and of course there is a social conservative current.
The right has traditionally been a coalition of liberals and conservatives, but the Christian conservatives are actually Christian. (They command a certain degree of respect, even though I don't agree)
As for the social conservatives, they're to a large degree absorbed by either the traditional social democrats (or "total autocrats" as I like to call them) or the nazis.
The WHAT?
Yes. The left was so busy suppressing racism (real) that they made it basically impossible to have adult conversation about the problems inherent in eliminating low-education jobs and, at the same time, accepting a lot of illiterate refugees. And as the reality of taking from the middle class boomers (who strongly identify as working class) to fund the result, the nazis were there, and they're scary huge now.
Idk, there's a lot to unpack and explain here, and I'm sure others have other angles, so I'll leave it at that.