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Earnest Discussion: It has been 3 days and there is virtually no activity here. (pathofexile-discuss.com)
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This post should NOT be taken as some kind of insult towards the mods of the previous subreddit, nor should it be seen as some justification for the dumb crap that Reddit is trying to pull with their API. I am totally against Reddit trying to price gouge people who make their site better.

However, I made a post on the thread that announced the indefinite lockdown that people would not switch sites and ultimately it would harm the community because 75-80% of people wouldn't switch, and it seems my number was really wrong. It is more like 95%+. I guess I am making this thread to ask if it is worth fracturing the main place for the PoE community to gather (for better or worse)? I think it is worth a legitimate discussion, because I hate the idea that the PoE community is the one getting harmed because of Reddit's poor decision making. Maybe Reddit will change their tune and this won't matter, but if they're not are we just going to stay away from there forever? Unless this site (which is out of control of the mods here) gets massive upgrades then I just don't ever see it being used at all.

Feel free to give your thoughts and I hope that my post comes across as genuine.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hiya,

We subreddit mods don't want the community harmed either. I'm preparing a post aimed at addressing feedback we've gotten from the community and discussing our plan and how we'll be getting your thoughts on that plan as well. I need to draft it up and run it by the rest of the mods for review, so expect it tomorrow at the earliest.

If you want to read some personal thoughts on Discord (not an official plan) I wrote about the blackout, check in the PoE discord server (discord.gg/pathofexile) starting here and going a few pages below that as well

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly, this is a pretty slow time for PoE content too. We're mid-league, and we just got some cinematic PoE2 trailers without much substance to them. People who really want to discuss PoE will slowly filter their way into Lemmy over the next couple of months, and I'm sure there will be a spike in activity when the next league drops.

I would rather mods stick to their guns. Short term is may be messy, but I think it's best for the longterm health of the community to drop Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Give Lemmy a chance to surge when the next league hype starts. There's a lot to be gained; switching from Reddit to Lemmy would a boon to the community the way the wiki migration from Fandom to community-run was.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

The larger Lemmy instances like Lemmy.world and Beehaw are decently active. This instance is discoverable from them, but there are only a small handful of subscribers from each, PoE is too niche for non-PoE players.

This instance could grow with some work though. There's nothing on reddit that ties PoE players to it outside of just historical momentum.

I'm not tied to reddit personally, but will obviously go wherever the activity is. I do find the growth of the federated social media to be fascinating though, and think it's a good alternative to reddit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly speaking there have been a multitude of posters on the Discord that keep coming in going "Is the subreddit private? I dont get it" and they didnt even read the message you get when you visit /r/pathofexile

So I mostly chalk it up to "people cant read" tbh

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

"people cant read" and "people closing dialogue windows without reading" is basically the universal problem for most issues when people sit in front of any computer device from my experience...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

i like this site because i got the username "Cat"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I'll be honest, so far the switch seems much more seamless than I expected. With how sedentary social media and the web generally have become, I'd have expected a much, MUCH slower transition, to the tune of maybe a person or two joining per day, with somewhere around 50 joining initially... And that's not even mentioning like others have said that it's already a pretty dead time in the ebb and flow of PoE communication. Given all the circumstances, I think what we currently have is about on track with what could be expected early on. It's not like the reddit userbase didn't generally rely on comparatively few active users to provide content to lurk in.

[–] Difficult_Bit_1339 5 points 2 years ago

It doesn't harm the community at all. Having a small high quality community is better than having 10 million people subscribed that spam the forum with low effort comments.

I'd much rather have a smaller community and high quality discussions. All of the important links and threads will be cross posted anyway. All of the teaser videos will be linked here, etc.

The ActivityPub-based platforms like Lemmy are a more sustainable option. It is very likely Reddit will continue their march towards aggressive monetization, the API changes will not be the last thing. Having a community that isn't bound by the whims of a group of executives is a positive thing. Even if that means that it takes time to grow the userbase.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is the way.

Would be nice to get a seal-of-approval, to see any post made by anyone from GGG here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Some reddit apps don't show the message on the poe subreddit that links to this site (for example RIF, it just shows an empty page).

A lot of people are not that invested in poe or reddit that they would bother with moving to another platform, instead they'll just stop interacting with the community and move on to something else. Getting people to move to another platform is always a big ask.

I'm still kinda surprised by how quiet this place has been. I think this site works just fine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think there is a very high proportion of lurkers on this instance. Do you want to guess how many users are registered here right now? 3500. And yet, only <30 posts or so. 1% commenters/posters to lurkers ratio might be about right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Interesting. Maybe people are shy to post when there are so few posts on the front page? or maybe they are all bots haha

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I was curious if most are bots too and found some interesting data

Looking at the list of users by domain

ubuntu$ users | awk -F'/' '{print $3}' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr
   1563 lemmy.world
   1320 beehaw.org
    172 sh.itjust.works
    164 pathofexile-discuss.com
    149 lemmy.ml
    103 discuss.tchncs.de
     20 lemmy.nz
< censored results below 20 to protect privacy on small instances >
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It seems most people have main accounts elsewhere. Not sure why someone would try making bot accounts elsewhere to then link them here and...not post? 🤷‍♂️
[–] Barbarian 5 points 2 years ago

I have no idea why other people are subscribing, can only talk about myself. I do not actively play PoE, but I'm planning to when I have time later this year. This means I have nothing of value to contribute to this community. I'm subscribed to lurk and get a feel for the lingo and how PoE works.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For what it's worth, I made an account last week and wasn't able to log in until now due to an infinite loading spinner, so there may be some bugs where people actually just can't post even if they wanted to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah there was something wrong with the emailer last week, sorry about that!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not sure, if people are shy, of if there's just nothing to post about right now. As others already stated, it's mid league and usually there are some item showcases and memes on reddit right now.

Furthermore, I could think of most of the registrations would be people who are informed about the blackout of Reddit and think, that it's a good step to go for a new platform, but don't necessarily want to post stuff about PoE right now. The majority will likely just lurk around Reddit and see, how the situation develops.

Because why register a new account on a new platform, if the subreddit is back during the next league start? Everything about the current situation is inconvenient in some way and people usually avoid inconvenience until it's necessary for them to change something (i.e. being able to do new-league-shitposts :P).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

maybe people dont want to switch to a different website for no reason and are thus not bothering to do that

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

anyone else getting confused by these @lemmy.world usernames?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Some people (like me) created an account on lemmy.world and subscribed to pathofexile-discuss.com from there. Posting/commenting from there as well

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

a happy hello from a new kbin user as well! I'm glad that everything seems to be up and working again with federation so I can easily participate here or wherever else without needing a bunch of accounts

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

That's the magic of the fediverse. It doesn't matter which instance is your home instance, you can comment and participate in practically any community you want.

I use social media for more than just gaming, so it made sense for me to make my account on a more general-purpose instance

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

yes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I want to mention that the chosen url isn't great. I tried to remember it just now and couldn't, had to go back to the Reddit private community message just to see where it was.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's pretty easy to change the URL. What would you suggest?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

People rightly complained / didnt use the official reddit mobile app because it was bad. Some also continued using old.reddit because they didn't like the new one. Honestly, this new thing, is bad. That's the main reason for me. It's not just a "don't want to change" thing either. The UI is lacking compared to reddit. Also the forum view, is not good imo. Both old and new versions of reddit did it better.

Also, that's a me thing, but I don't understand the layout of the page. On reddit you have a main account, 1 account to login and you can join different subs. Have all the relevant info on your front page. Here I only see the poe "sub". Where's the rest? I had my main page with new / relevant posts from all the subs I followed. Like an old man reads the newspaper for many different news, I had reddit and I can't replicate that here. That's the another deal breaker.

Finally there's so many personal account based stuff like saved posts, repositories of information, karma, replies and discussions that can't be transfered here. It just can't happen. There's also a lot of usernames and people you met and talked over the years, now that is gone. And people with streamer names that's gonna cause confusion.

I get it that reddit fucked up and communities are not "moderatable" anymore but this is such a downgrade and the transition causes many problems, I just don't see me happy using either at the end of the day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Here I only see the poe "sub". Where's the rest? I had my main page with new / relevant posts from all the subs I followed

Gotta shop around other instances, make account where you like the communities/UI and then sub here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Poe was the only reddit I really followed the rest of it could go away, and I wouldn't notice. I could get over the lemmy ui, if there was actually people here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Give it some more time

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

To be honest, I just don't think people in the Poe (reddit) community know of Lemmy / this place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Hey, I am new to Lemmy and didn't know this existed until today. Hoping we keep seeing more traction to Lemmy!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

took me a while to find the link to this place, and then could only get it to load using edge of all things. chrome says too many redirects, and firefox eventually said the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Stuff doesn't happen instantly. What they can do to help it tho, is that the mods delete the sidebar information on reddit and just replace it with this site. I just made an account today as well and as some people pointed out it's the middle of the league which also means stuff isn't that active either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I just made an account here in case I ever need to use it. I was hoping that settings would allow me to change some things to make this site look better (like smaller text!) but all I was able to really do is switch from light mode to dark mode. It doesn't feel like a great replacement just yet...

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I cant believe the mods shut down the communities central gathering place with genuine POE2 hype on the horizon and pushed us to a dead site that will absolutely not generate any hype whatsoever

thanks guys guess ill just google the poe main website every day to get news updates

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is the pathofexile.com homepage and the forums, there are multiple discords. you react like somehow you have no access whatsoever to information or participation with other people just because mods imo rightfully are participating in that boycott... I don't get it...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

didnt they volunteer to be mods? why not just stop doing it if you arent enjoying it?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

feel free to make and moderate a new subreddit if you don't enjoy the current situation is probably an argumentation on the same level as yours...

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