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[–] [email protected] 108 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

Guess what!
There's a whole generation of old men about to pass away, most of them tradesmen. And in my experience, crotchety and unwilling to teach.

Because this generation generally has less interest in trades, likely from being viewed down upon (see above), there is going to be a severe shortage of people working in the trades.

This will possibly mean two things:
Companies are going to scramble desperately to get new apprentices, so -good news- more jobs. But, expect a startling lack of quality in the years to come.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago (10 children)

There's a startling lack of quality a lot of the time now, it's gonna get hella bad when the trades-boomers go.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

True enough. I can only hear "NoBoDy WaNtS tO WoRk AnYmOrE" so many times before i figure who's to blame for that

[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Exactly. Nobody wants to work for unliveable wages. It's a wage shortage, not a labour shortage.

Or, after being tired of being lowballed for work and offers to be paid in exposure, "fuck you, pay me."

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)

A local (and very well off) welding company wanted me to pay for my own courses and equipment when I applied. It would have been hundreds of dollars out of my pocket, for MAYBE a chance to be taken on as an apprentice, if I withstand being the shop bítch for long enough.
PART TIME.

yea,

FUCK OFF

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Those “small business” owners:

“Buying my third luxury car is so expensive, why are prices going up? Must be the government”

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Skill shortage probably comes the same way as bankruptcy: gradually, then suddenly. We are probably in the slowly running out of tradesmen phase of the craftocalypse.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

I'm 42 now and I left the trades a year ago after getting the life beat out of me for most of my life. It's not that no one wants to do the work, it's that no one wants to pay for a good tradesperson. When I left my last job they were only hiring techs for $16-$20 and hour. That was with HVAC certification. It's laughable.

Matter of fact, the company I worked for withheld raises from one of their teams for 3 years and they pikachu faced when they all left. Literally the best tech team in the company too. (This team had over 100 years of total experience in the trades. Plumbing, electrical, you name it. They've done it.)

Not to mention like 99% of the companies require you to own your own tools and will not replace/repair anything that breaks while working for their company. Got a nice new impact and it broke doing a job? That $200 is coming out of your pocket. Always.

Fucking, also, all the jobs that require being on call. Got a family? Fuck you, go fix shit at 2am and then make sure you show up to work on time at 6am with no sleep. Work 10-12 hours, go home, get called the next night too.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (7 children)

As someone who spent the last 5 years in trades, and is now going to retraining: nobody is willing to pay enough for you to destroy your body by the time you're 50.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Germans have a word for it. Fachkräftemangel

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I don't understand why people pick on tradesman as if they're somehow lesser than them.

There's lots of skill and knowledge that goes along with doing any trade.

Also, while it's back breaking work, and you often work overtime, construction workers make bank.

This is an aged and outdated take that devalues the contributions of a very important job.

All jobs are skilled labor.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Everyone shits on blue collar workers until their furnace stops working, their pipes leak, their car breaks, their roof leaks, their foundation cracks, the wiring in their house gives out... Shit, it's almost like their work is integral to their jaded-ass day to day lives

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

I don't. I talk them up to my kids who are under 5 and considering both blue collar and science/academic jobs. I don't really care what they do anyway, as long as they're happy and making the world a better place. Manual labor helps me clear my head a lot.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

Also, while it's back breaking work

This is why. It's not so much "these people are dumb" as it is "you don't want to have to do backbreaking labor the rest of your life".

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

They get to create useful things unlike a lot of white collar jobs

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago

That's not fair. Do you have any idea how hard I work to put adverts into your products without making them crash? God, think next time!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hey, c'mon those programmers making minecraft mods during their work hours are contributing to society

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The irony is now that the situation is totally inverted.

My STEM degree has got me making a barely livable wage while the GEDs who went straight into a trade are making twice what I make.

And the cruel reality is there is not a good way to determine which way this market will go unless you're one of the 0.01%. And if you were it would make this a mute point.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (7 children)

What STEM path is barely getting by? Programmers and engineers are highly sought after employees rn.

[–] QTpi 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm a Medical Laboratory Scientist (bachelor's degree, nationally certified, and current on my certificate maintenance continuing education requirements) and it has taken 16 years for me to crack 100k/year. I started at 38k. There are not enough MLS out there to staff all the labs in the US. Labs are scrambling to figure out how to continue providing patient care in the face of crippling staffing shortages and yet pay is still shit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

That's insane. They charge a fucking fortune for lab tests. Who is keeping all the money?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

The meme should go "he's probably in a union and has job security, health serurity and a living wage". Fuck that guy. That's what he gets for being an honest taxpayer.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think you mean a moo point

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Construction workers can make bank, mom!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Just have to wreck your back by the age of 35.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not with strong worker safety laws you don't

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I mean.. At least as a construction worker my retirement plan is three-fold. The trick is to survive long enough and well enough to enjoy retirement.

The three are 401k, annuity, and the unheard of pension.

Granted, I'm also on my fourth pulled back muscle for the year. I really need to stretch more.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Don't let your job be your only workout. Stretch daily, and then do low weight/high rep strength training in the gym a few times a week, to be stronger than you need to be for your job. You'll stop pulling muscles so easily. I'm 43 and I don't have even half the pain that most of the 30 year olds around here complain about.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The construction dude who dropped out of high-school at 16, never went to college, and makes $90,000 a year at age 25 is doing just fine lol

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Until he becomes the construction dude who falls apart like lego every morning at the age of 45

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Are people actually still talking trash about tradesmen? Come on, what year is it supposed to be?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Year is irrelevant, as long as class exists (working, owning, and ~~middle~~ deluded worker, aka "temporarily embarrassed millionaires"), so will classism.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago

Like the guy with steady pay, job security, benefits, and a strong union?

Shit I better stop studying

[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

my parents used that one: "do you want to dig ditches when you get older ?" it took a lot of work for me to lose that attitude towards manual and mechanized labor.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Me: Yes, excavators are fun. (Note: I am not in construction though.)

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Labour adheres to supply/demand. Now that boomers are retiring who primarily made up most of the blue-collar workers, there's a derth of them and its only going to get worse.

So homeboy with the hardhat is gonna be making 6 figures easily out of 2 year apprenticeship while your fancy university degrees will be competing with all the other Asian students raised with this mentality.

We were all under the assumption automation was going to replace manual labour first, turns out its actually the code monkeys and adminstrators who are biting the bullet.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (4 children)

As an ex-programmer that is now in the trades I can say my mental health is way better and my back hurts less these days since I'm not sitting in an expensive "ergonomic" chair all day. There are a lot of high paying trades that are far from back breaking work. Personally I got in to finish carpentry building science labs specifically.

There's also the added benefit that I like playing with computers again, when it was my day job I wanted nothing to do with them after work.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Finish carpentry building science labs...as an architect who has recently taken an interest in building science, that sounds interesting. The jump from programmer is interesting, too. Like, did you have prior experience in carpentry, or did you go in blind?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As an ex-programmer that is now in the trades

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

The union employee who probably makes more than you and dad combined? Sure, I don't want to end up like him or the garbage man that I know for a fact makes more than both of you combined. Great job employment shaming mom.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

phone marketing would be more apt job to scare kids with. It brings nothing of value to society and its awful for the worker and those being bothered. Or just skip pointing fingers at any job and just tell the kid they will end up being exploited if they are left with no options.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (8 children)

While construction workers should absolutely be respected, you definitely don't want to end up as a construction worker in India. Construction workers earn like 300-400 rupees (3.61 - 4.81 USD) per day of work in the part of India that I live in (which is a very industrious part btw). These people overwhelmingly belong to the lower castes. They don't have their own home, and live on site in temporarily constructed structures made from metal panels.

These people suffered the most when the COVID lockdowns happened. Their places of employment fired them. They thus lost their temporary home. These people, along with their kids tried to move back to the villages that they migrated to the cities from. However, for quite some time, they weren't allowed to return back. Thus, thousands of people were immediately made homeless, having to sleep on the streets. Of course, they were harassed by the police a lot. Finally, when special trains were organized for them, there were instances where the police sprayed water into these trains on these people "to clean them". Watch this documentary by Vice news if you want to learn more about them.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think the most important thing when it comes to a job, over pay, is mental health. If you're doing a job you hate that pays you higher than doing a job you love, is it really worth spending so much of your limited time on this Earth doing something you hate? Unless what you want to do with your life will literally risk you and your family's starvation, just do it. It's not worth the stress. I know, I'm stuck in a horrible job trying desperately to get out.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They do a pretty important job, I just wish every single one of them didn't seem to be a die-hard Trumper for some fucking reason.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Tell me your mom is totally insulated from reality and a huge cunt without saying it explicitly.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

My boss once told me he would never ask me to do something that he wouldn't do himself. This 'mom' is espousing the opposite idea, that certain jobs are beneath her. I'm pretty sure these people have no clue how to do anything other than be some low level manager or bureaucrat and will vanish from existence like the morning mist, come the apocalypse.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

All judgement until you hear a dripping in the night and have to pay that person a quarter of your "smart peoples" wages

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