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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's perplexing that religions with misogynistic practices are accepted on the premise that the oppressed women are supposedly happy and fulfilled. This assumption overlooks the possibility (certainty) that these women may be content because they have been conditioned to know nothing else, as it has been their norm throughout their lives.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

A lot of it is also older women who suffered the worst off the repression when they were younger passing on the abuse to the younger generation.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Religion is not inherently sexist. It's just that most popular religions were born in sexist patriarchal cultures and are, therefore, sexist.

I'm sure there exist non-sexist religions that have female followers who aren't shooting themselves in the face. However, it's a sad reality that such religions are so few and so unpopular that I can't even name one off the top of my head - not counting non-serious religions like pastafarianism.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wicca is a modern example. Most non-misogynistic religions were actively targeted for a long time

[–] icepuncher69 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Look im gennuenly ignorant on this so i whant you to keep that in mind when i ask the following:

Isnt wicca like the whole other extreme? Like afaik they are not really pro equalit between men and women, its more like an all girls club and not really a religion at that? Arent they more like a subculture?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Definitely not. Wicca and Paganism is a collection of ancient religions based around nature, like the sun and moon. It's generally based in leftist and revolutionary ideals, so it's naturally attractive as a belief system for marginalized people in the western world. That's generally why a lot of women are Wiccan or Pagan

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Pagan as in the old creeds where sacrificing human beings and virgins was a thing?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Modern Paganism doesn't observe any sacrificial practices. It's an amalgamation of several ancient religions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Essentially it's a reconstructional movement, leaving out the less palatable things and that is fine. But the dark bits are there and should be recognized, which is something most pagans won't do. Pagan religions were bloody and cruel, which was why christianity stamped it out as it dis, mostly because it carried a notion of repent and forgiveness.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No it isn't. Some white dude invented it in the 1950's based off of old European practices. It's just their people passing on their pre-Christian culture, that's all.

It's no more a real religion than the Abrahamic ones.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. Don't make it so easy for them. Structural sexism occurs in authoritarian systems. It's one of the tools to keep the privileged in power.

It's not that the society was just generally sexist (of course they had even more defined gender roles and so), it's that the sexism was actively thought and embraced by those in power! Thus, fiction like the bible also was actively made sexist, to have further "prove" to keep that power dynamic. It was not written that way because "well, back in the days". It was written like that to oppress people!

[–] WindowsEnjoyer 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You should stsrt accepting facts rather than adopting them to your beliefs. All religions are cancer. Period.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Depends on how you define a religion. In the broader sense I agree but in the legal sense its complicated. Take the religion of Copyism as an example. An actual recognised religion in Sweden. Whose religion centers around the belief that information should be freely avaliable and whose sacred act is copying anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Okay, here's a fact: belief in money is a religion. It's magical thinking that says if you believe something hard enough it'll become true. You cannot be a capitalist and an atheist, because anyone who believes in money is religious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Wicca.

Come on, bruh, that was so easy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Christianity was actually extremely progressive for the time. Women and men were seen as equals spiritually, and had equal political power for a long time. Only when Christianity morphed into Catholicism and was adopted by the Roman Empire that patriarchal political power became the norm. But still, women are seen as equals spiritually, and can be saved just like men.

We can credit most of modern humanist and egalitarian ideals to Christianity, and the folk ways it was practiced and understood (against the top-down hierarchical theology spoused by the Catholic Church).

After all, the enlightenment was a direct descendant of Christianity and so on and so forth.

Edit: I think people don’t really understand how shittily women were treated and seen in the deeper past… like the Classical Greek barely saw women as human beings.

Me saying Christianity was very progressive for the time is not me pulling it out of my ass. Scholars think that, researchers, historians etc.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't you find it weird that women in mythos are always at the center of the world's problems? For example, Eve, Pandora, Helen

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Mother Earth.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Antireligionism ftw. I don't care how hard you work to find some random belief system you think works for you personally, all religion is trash on the basis of following someone else's magic beliefs and rules.

I don't understand why people can't just leave their religions and live their lives happily? Why do they all have to find some pagan bullshit to glom onto? Join a book club or something.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

*everyone who support religion be like

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

What’s up with this AI upscaling Tom’s paws look horrifying

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So are you saying all wiccan women are dumb and self destructive?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fuck is Wiccan? Nevermind, I don't want to know what new delusions people keep coming up with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Wicca is the religion followed by witches.