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Shitty headline. That is ONLY if Russia gets to keep the annexed territories:
However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
LOL if the question is like that ("would you stop the war as a winner keeping all the lands and cease the sanctions") then what the other 30% of people is thinking?
"Keep fighting because I enjoy watching it on the news?"
I would wager 100% of people surveyed would not want to go to jail for giving the wrong answer too.
Jail or the front lines.
Keep going until all of Ukraine is annexed?
I think it's clear to everyone that that is not going to happen.
To those of us with access to media that isn't pure Russian propaganda, anyway. I suspect Russians without VPN access, (which I believe they recently outlawed,) have a very distorted view of the state of the world.
The fact that the frontline hasn't significantly moved for over a year, aside from Kherson, should be obvious even from Russian propaganda. (Btw, this also shows that something major needs to happen if Ukraine is to get its territory back)
I really wish Ukrainian allies had given them jets and long-range missiles sooner. Were I in their shoes, I'd give Ukraine the capability of damaging Russian infrastructure and fuck up the supply lines all the way to their source if need be. Make it clear to the average Russian that going with the plan is more dangerous for them than resisting their autocrat. Time is of the essence, every second of delay can be measured in lives.
And also it states that
70 percent of Russians would support Putin should he decide to end the conflict this week.
It doesn't necessarily mean that they want to end the war, only that they would support Putin's decision...
You cannot ask direct questions like: Do you want to overthrow the dictator? And expect a realistic answer in a dictatorship.
You also cannot ask a question like: Should Russia keep it's territories? Because if you are in a dictatorship, you can go to prison for the wrong answer.
You can lose your job if what you say can be taken from the wrong context.
Merely the fear that such reprisal exists, means that the overwhelming population cannot answer truthfully, even if they wanted to.
So I would take these polls with a grain of salt.
I don't think the war will end until Putin dies. Whether that be next week or in 20 years.
There's no way for Putin to retreat and save face. The world can't afford to allow Russia to win. It will be a horrible stalemate of slaughter until Putin dies and can be blamed by both sides, to be able to negotiate a way out.
I don't think that scenario has such an optimistic outlook in store. The people in the best position to inherit the seats of power in the Russian state are Putin's closest clique, who are, for the most part, ultranationalists, who would not only see their newfound power deligitimazed if they immediately signed peace, but would also be acting against their own ideology. Even if there are powerful people in Russia who would prefer to transition towards a different kind of country, they don't have a clear route to reach power.
lol I knew I saw the exact opposite headline somewhere. "Majority of russians dont want an end to ukraine war if needed to release territories" or something like that
I'm kinda guessing they've never wanted that war to happen in the first place, they probably simply can't express that without being arrested or something.
Those who support the war are probably brainwashed by propaganda.
There are actually Russians who I’ve heard say things like “Crimea is ours anyway,” and “Ukraine is supposed to be a part of Russia.” And I’m talking about Russian emigres in America who are not looking over their shoulders.
It’s not everyone. Mostly blowhard assholes but they do exist. The Russian people aren’t all sitting there thinking the right things but keeping their lips sealed.
The second sentence of this article is stating that only 30% of Russians want to end the war if they have to give back annexed regions of Ukraine.
Yes but there’s a lot of speculation in this thread that they are all just saying what they feel they have to because the KGB is watching. I’m sure that’s true for some but for others the sentiment is genuine.
Every country has a lot of idiotic nationalists, especially those which have an glorified, imperialist past. What matters is how much suffering are they willing to impose upon themselves to satisfy the demands of their collective narcissism, and Russians who live abroad aren't going to be the ones suffering it the most.
However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
Russia has maintained that any peace deal must include "the entry of four [Ukrainian] regions into Russia," something that Kyiv is unlikely to budge on.
Pretty important detail missing from the headline:
However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
That's a pretty critical detail... The headline becomes incredibly misleading without it. It should read: "Overwhelming majority of Russians now want to win Ukraine war"
Too bad they have no say
In other news: large amount of Russians fall from stairs and windows this week.
I say we support ukraine until they raid Moscow and buttfuck putin with something sharp.
That's not the goal and the Ukrainians aren't going to waste their lives pushing to Moscow. They just want their country back, that's been there intent since day 1.
Never claimed it was their plan, I was making a statement over how long I would support them and their struggle.
As long as they give up the land theyve srolen then let it end otherwise im feelin russia might be in for a very painfull couple more years
End how?
With all the territorial gains, if an article I've read here recently was right.
The Kremlin: seen