Anything about the lemmy.ml instance and its moderation.
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It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it's users will not be allowed to proceed.
We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.
My support to this decision.
Common Lemmy W
For the purposes of discussion, can someone eli5 me on the pros and cons of federating with threads?
A big corporation has the opportunity to tweak things without sharing, offering unique benefits for people of their server, slowly sucking up all the users. Then suddenly there is no federation, as everyone wants the unique features.
Think about web browser and chromium. Google pretty much dictates the core features of the internet now a days.
I may me way off base to be honest, just my 2 cents
Can someone eli5 what’s going on with this?
meta is trash and we don’t want its data getting all snuggly with ours. because ew.
now you’re up to speed.
edit: data privacy concerns are the main issue
If Meta can federate with an instance, it can collect all the available data within that instance. This seems to be what everyone is overlooking on the downsides of Meta federation.
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
I know we all dream of having all our friends and family on the Fediverse so we can avoid proprietary networks completely. But the Fediverse is not looking for market dominance or profit. The Fediverse is not looking for growth. It is offering a place for freedom. People joining the Fediverse are those looking for freedom. If people are not ready or are not looking for freedom, that’s fine. They have the right to stay on proprietary platforms. We should not force them into the Fediverse. We should not try to include as many people as we can at all cost. We should be honest and ensure people join the Fediverse because they share some of the values behind it.
Exactly. I don't understand why so many people have this mentality of 'the fediverse must grow, or it's a failure', but I think a lot of them are from the recent reddit exodus (I am too, for the record) and are addicted to the firehose of content that a massive social media platform brings.
I participated less and less on reddit in recent years, after joining in 2007, partly because it became such a behemoth. Nowadays, I am enjoying the modest size of my lemmy instance and the values I've seen espoused throughout. It's like a small(er) get together of like-minded people rather than an open-door rager - the first has always had more appeal to me, personally.
Assumption 1: Meta / Mark Z are objectively untrustworthy
Assumption 2: The Fediverse is a threat to the entire internet advertising machine
Assumption 3: Threads will be a hospitable place for right wing hatemongers. Therefore, federating with it exposes our most vulnerable users and communities to a deluge of (often invisible) hate and harassment.
Assumption 4: Most of the ways that they could use their billions of users and army of programmers to slowly choke us off would go through federation
I think if you believe all four of those assumptions defederation is the clear choice
NICE
I hope beehaw does it too despite their status a pro-liberal instance.
Liberal/free market ideals are very well aligned with Fediverse/Lemmy: freedom to chose social media providers without being locked-in, free market of instances, free market of both front-end/backend software, freedom to run or fork the software myself...
Sure, I didn't get to chose this instance's policy, but a) I could find another or start my own if I disagreed (Not so different than electing representatives in a liberal democracy), and b) so far I don't disagree with this policy as Facebook is a threat to some basic software freedoms...
Personally I dislike all the -ism labels. Issues are complex with often contradictory stances. It's almost as though labels are used to divide people on otherwise common issues and common ground by oversimplifying policies into tribalism.
preemptively blocking an instance just because it’s owned by meta and not due to bad conduct is cringe as fuck
This platform is built on getting away from large corporate ownership. It would make 0 sense to allow it. Just use another instance if you want/need to see their content.
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Its Nice to hear
Good thing, i don't want anything to do with Meta's crap either. If someone is complaining he can always do an account somewhere else.
Can you change which lemmy server your account is on, or do i just need to make a new account on a server that doesnt ban anything? Does anyone have a recommendation on a server that allows all conversation, uninhibited?
Can anyone point out any servers who aren't federating for folks who want threads?