MLID as the source so questionable straight away. that said AMD laptop chip release dates mean nothing at all. release date could be January and the first laptop on the shelf might be in March
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And then the first laptop you might actually want to buy releases in June. And then OEM decides for some stupid reason to put arbitrary configuration limitations like max of 16GB of memory or only up to 300 nit 1080p panel unless you shell out for the OLED model. And then you find out the OEM does actually have a perfect version of that laptop with everything you want, but it's releasing exclusively to china or something. Then once the perfect device is finally available, AMD is about to announce their next generation of chips. You don't want to be a gen behind, so you decide to wait for the new devices with these new chips, and the cycle repeats.
Yeah March. Of the following year
MLID isnt a good source, but Charie at SemiAccurate was also suggesting delays weeks ago, he has his own reliability issues, but their 'sources' are probably different.
https://www.semiaccurate.com/2023/10/18/amd-fights-meteors-with-paper-at-ryzen-8000-launch/
But yeah, AMD has a bad habit of announcing mobile chips, only to have 1-2 designs launch in the next month, while the majority take 4-6 months to hit shelves. AMD mobile parts announced at CES ends up truly showing up in like June.
Makes sense if true. Laptop market looks like shit rn from a profit perspective, if anything has to get delayed or deprioritized, a high end laptop might be it.
From what source? Laptop chips have always enjoyed higher margins than desktops. Not as much as their server line, but still.
That's only explicitly true for Intel.
The manufacturing method for Ryzen chiplet & Epyc are basically identical, with a different IOD and packaging complexity being the only real differences, so any additional production costs predominantly down to that part instead of something related to the wafer.
Yield/binning costs cancels themselves out because a CCD, the single most expensive part to design and manufacture, has all of its costs spread across the entire Epyc & Ryzen chiplet product stack. Intel doesn't have that luxury, since Xeon & Core-S are two different sets of designs.
Ryzen APUs are a fundamentally different design to all the other Ryzen/Epyc stack. So even if the mobile chips command a higher ASP than Ryzen chiplet, they also carry with them a higher manufacturing cost because it isn't subsidised by being part of the CCD production line.
If AMD can make an SoC suitable for entry and mid-range gaming laptops with no dGPU required, that could put a sizeable dent in sales of NVIDIA's smaller GPUs and potentially be more profitable for laptop OEMs (not having to pay Intel tax + NVIDIA tax).
In theory, yes. In practice, a high end APU is going to be competing with low end and prior generation/refresh CPUs/GPUs. Once those discounts are figured in, the value proposition in straight performance/$ is shot.
They would be MacBook Pro fighters that could also do gaming at high energy efficiency, but we're not close to that being a go-to for any price segment if performance is paramount. Those chips will be expensive and the laptops with them will stay expensive for quite a while.
Asus TUF A15 is $750 rn. There's usually a totally usable gaming laptop for $800 and a decent midrange one for $1100-1200.
Delayed to what? To rumors? AFAIK there was no official release announced...
I would love to own an AMD laptop if there were any available that seemed reasonable. I really wanted to get a laptop with a 6600U to replace my 5 year old i7-8750H/1050Ti unit, but nothing with a 6600U was remotely reasonable. Everything started at $1500, at that point I'd just bit the bullet and get a Macbook.
Are you I the US? Plenty of cheap AMD models to consider. Also why limit yourself to just one sku?