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[–] sun_is_ra 152 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

war is between two regular armies. pounding the shit out of gaza after cutting supplies and water can hardly be called war

[–] SuddenDownpour 40 points 9 months ago

It's clearly propaganda for internal consumption, because there's no way in hell that anyone who isn't spouting hate and foam 24-7 is going to buy the parallelism. They want to fill Zionist radicals with fervor so that they help force dissidents to shut up about the fact that they're committing genocide.

[–] [email protected] 119 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is no war, it is genocide when you shoot civilians.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago

Shooting them is bad press. Bringing down whole buildings with aerial bombardment is much more palatable.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's not a war, it's a massacre...

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago

Genocide is the correct term. Massacre is correct, but not precise enough.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If we accept Israel's argument that it can kill whoever it wants because the other side started it then we are creating a new basis for conflict where wars can always be justified by the instigator.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

Countries don't need arguments for war, but the arguments can slow down international response.

the 'forever war' isn't new, just has a new coat of paint.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Translated: Nazanyahu declares Israel dependent on ethnic cleansing

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

He didn't even have to declare that, it's always been this way.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I still cant believe the western goverments are sitting idely by while this slaughter happens.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago

They are not sitting idly, they are supporting it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The sad truth is all their media has become pro Israeli. They never even see or hear about the Palestinians plight. They just keep replaying the same crap from Oct 7.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In the UK we’re seeing a lot about the Palestinian plight on the BBC. We also see news about concern for the hostages but don’t see much about the Oct 7 attack itself anymore.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The plight of civilians only entered the media sphere after weeks of false news about the october 7th attack that was used as justification for the UK's complicity in the massacres that followed. It's the media trying to save face as the public learn the truth from other means.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don’t recall seeing any false news on the BBC. They tend to be very good at verifying what they are told and generally say that there were reports of things happening if they haven’t verified it.

Either way, we are only three weeks from the Oct 7 attack and the BBC has definitely been showing the plight of civilians for a significant proportion of that time so it certainly wasn’t “weeks of false news”.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

They reported that Hamas had tunnels under Al-shifa hospital hours before it was bombed by Israel, and then refused to cover the fact that the response by Israel was blatant disinformation.

They reported that pro-palestine demos were "supporting terrorism", and were actually told to BROADCAST an apology. Despite this, their apology was more "we're sorry you got mad" and refused to outright say they lied.

They reported on the "40 beheaded babies" (As did all the UK media) yet this was demonstrably false and was simply quietly ignored from future reports.

EVERY single palestinian support they interviewed in the opening days of the bombardment were asked if they "condemned hamas", implying that anyone who DOES support palestine is a supporter of terrorism.

I think this all counts as weeks of false news, both implicitly from their refusal to properly cover the genocidal rhetoric and behavior of Israel, to the explicit lies and mistruths from the newsdesk.

If you don't recall seeing anything false then congrats, you're the target audience for the propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Have you ever watched, random example, DW. BBC isn't entirely terrible, either.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

they're making a lot of money - or will, soon enough

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago

Well in their first war of “independence” they kicked out 700k civilians out of their homes and never allowed them to return to their rightful belongings. Is this what they’re again yet again? More land grabs?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

This is the first time that I've realized in real time that a "war" is actually genocide

The only thing Isreal is accomplishing is guaranteeing there will be another generation of radicalization.

The asymmetry of this "war" is clear, even in a nation that gives Israel full support by the government and media.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

a 2nd nakba, then

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Gaza was plunged into darkness, isolation and violence on Saturday night, its communications with the outside world almost entirely cut, as Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, announced his country was entering “the second stage” of what was likely to be a long and difficult war against Hamas.

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As 2.3 million Palestinians in the blockaded coastal strip braced themselves for a second night of sharply escalating Israeli military operations, Israel’s defence minister, Yoav Gallant, said that the campaign against the Islamist militant group Hamas would continue until a new order was given.

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With links to mobile networks, the internet and electricity inside Gaza almost entirely severed, emergency services, including paramedic teams, were operating almost blind as they struggled to respond to scores of deaths and injuries from the airstrikes.

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Israel launched its assault on Gaza after hundreds of fighters from Hamas crossed the Israeli border in vehicles, by air and sea on 7 October, indiscriminately killing civilians in the streets, their homes and at an outdoor rave.

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It said: “During a night of intense bombardment and ground incursions in Gaza, with reports of hostilities still continuing, health workers, patients and civilians have been subject to a total communication and electrical blackout.

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“Hospitals across Gaza are already operating at maximum capacity due to the injuries sustained in weeks of unrelenting bombardment, and are unable to absorb a dramatic rise in the number of patients, while sheltering thousands of civilians.

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