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Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they're winning the war? This is another atrocity by the Ukrainian military to muddy the waters and try to attract yet more international support like the dam bombing.
Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they’re winning the war?
Right, but they are not, they are ~~barely holding~~ losing ground.
Meanwhile in the real world
These comments.... I wasn't expecting Lemmy to be russian bots just chatting with each other.
I mean, lemmy does have a sizable tankie population at lemmygrad
Lemmygrad and lemmy.ml are hosted by the same people: https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379?
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? "Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can't have it, better be dead too"?
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame a completely baseless claim without any evidence and that make no sense, is that seriously the question you're asking here?
The Russians are not making it easy for themselves, aren't they?
Ah yeah, that totally looks like a reliable site that somebody without any brain damage would use as a source.
I don't need more evidence that your problem is with reading comprehension. This isn't a news source per se, this tells what the Russian state media reports about. It doesn't take much effort to corroborate that:
https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-suicide-drone-attacks-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power/
Speaking about brain damage.
You haven't collaborated anything, and the fact that you think that's collaboration further underscores my point. How about we look at what IAEA, who actually have people on the ground, have to say
I think you should take a break, walk outside for a bit, and hop back with a clearer mind. Your are arguing about… I don't know what about.
Fact: Russian newspapers are announcing that an attack by Ukraine on the ZNPP is imminent. It doesn't matter whether you trust Ukraine's account of it, because this is literally in the Russian newspapers: https://www.rt.com/russia/579215-ukrainian-attack-nuclear-plant/
My question is: (what THIS thread is about) from the viewpoint of a Russian propagandist, how can they make this story seem credible, (or, IOW, what would Ukraine's motive be) considering that this would hurt Ukraine the most.
Next time you can use less of your condescending tone and more of your reading time to post on point.
I think you should take your own advice, also try working on your reading comprehension while you're at it given that your link says Russia is worried that Ukraine would cause a provocation.
From a view point of a sane person who isn't guzzling Ukrainian propaganda out of a firehouse, it's pretty obvious that the Ukrainian offensive is a giant failure. Even western media now admits this. NATO summit is happening in a week, and Ukraine is desperate to get NATO involved directly in the conflict.
It's also pretty clear that the puppet regime in Ukraine doesn't care one bit about hurting their own country. If they did, they would've taken the peace agreement they were offered back in March.
Dude, I've been super polite, factual, and thorough with you. The context is, a thread started off a (light/teasing) comment of mine. All replies in it where on topic and on a similar light tone except yours. I showed. I explained. I re-explained to you why what you said (no matter whether I agreed or not) is off track, but you keep charging with partisan arguments.
By all means, keep going with your crusade, but you are just talking to yourself at this point and demonstrating that you are giving very little consideration to other's opinions and messages. Your time would be better employed doing something else is what I think.
You haven't been factual. You've been linking to Ukrainian propaganda sites claiming that Russia is going to blow up a nuclear power plant that they controlled. Apparently, you're unable to see how absurd that is, and the fact hat IAEA says there's no actual evidence to substantiate these claims doesn't give you a pause either. Here you are claiming that it's actually me that's off track.
By all means, keep going with your crusade, but you are just talking to yourself at this point and demonstrating that you are giving very little consideration to other’s opinions and messages. Your time would be better employed doing something else is what I think.
linked to rt.com , Russia's state propaganda
You haven’t been factual. You’ve been linking to Ukrainian propaganda sites
well, I must owe you a lot of respect, and an apology. You absolutely, totally, tricked me into feeding the troll and kept the joke going on and on. You Sir are an absolute master, and a madlad. Well Done!
Or you really are dumb like a box of rocks. But I want to forget this thread on a positive note.
The RT link doesn't support your thesis, and you know perfectly well that I was referring to this propaganda site you referenced. You Sir are an absolute master, and a madlad. Well Done!
The only one who is as dumb as a bag of rocks here is the one who can't even keep track of all the bullshit he's spewing. 🤡
You never know when to stop, do you ^^
The RT link doesn’t support your thesis
You cannot even say what my thesis is, because you keep shifting goal posts and writing only for yourself.
My thesis, which I wrote 12 messages up thread, is that it would be silly for Ukraine to strike itself because they have the most to lose, and if the Russian propaganda really is claiming that, good luck shaping up a cover story that makes sense. You keep saying "no, it's not true, the source is not valid, …", because you really miss the forest for the tree.
It is indisputable that Russian Times (RT) reported that Ukraine might soon attack their nuclear power plant: fact. And furthermore, when you read the article, the Russian propaganda makes no effort as to explain what would be Ukraine's motive in doing that, which brings us back to my thesis (aha): this whole episode is laughably amateurish.
Your thesis is that Russia is going to blow up a nuclear power plant on their own territory. Meanwhile, if you think Ukrainian regime cares about people of Ukraine then you really haven't been paying attention. My favorite part is that you just keep doubling down on this by claiming that it would be silly for Ukraine to do this, but evidently don't have the cognitive capacity to understand that it would be even more silly for Russia.
We can certainly agree that your troll tactics are indeed laughably amateurish. You really don't know when to stop.
Your thesis is that Russia is going to blow up a nuclear power plant on their own territory.
Nope. Never said that. Never will unless reputable sources show evidence for it.
Literally the whole argument you've been making in this thread is that if there was an incident at the ZNPP then it would be the fault of Russia because you find it inconceivable that Ukraine would do such a thing. So, yes, your thesis has very obviously been that. I guess you've finally read your comments sober and trying to backtrack on that now. 😂
"If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said. It said the Ukrainian army stood “ready to act under any circumstances”.
In his nightly video message, Zelenskiy said Russia was planning to “simulate an attack” on the plant. “But in any case, the world sees – and cannot fail to see – that the only source of danger to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is Russia. And no one else.”
Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions"
Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions
Judging from the comments, he could probably finance that entire war just by selling bridges to liberals -_-
NAFO trolls downvoting every voice critical of Ukraine, I see you.
yeah sure.
Russia has been making the same claims against Ukraine since at least november 2022 in front of the UN.
Such an attack would benefit Ukraine since it's more likely to cause NATO to get involved. Don't forget that.
Imagine genuinely thinking that Russia blows up their own infrastructure for no reason. The fact that this is a serious topic of discussion in the west shows that any sort of critical thinking has been eradicated at this point.
Really? They also once had a hydroelectric dam. Just don't post...
You mean the hydroelectric dam that even US admitted Ukraine was launching missiles against? Just don't post...
All the hard work you put into spreading nonsense is wasted in Lemmy. There aren't enough users to make it worthwhile. Then again, you'd be banned quickly somewhere like Reddit, so I guess it's your only choice.
Watching empire shills trying to interact with people outside corporate walled gardens is pretty hilarious.
Are you watching me now, comrade? Prove it.
You're not my comrade.
Yeah. They value their stuff so much. Particularly their own soldiers.
Sure more than Ukraine who've been throwing theirs into minefields. If they didn't value their soldiers they'd be doing what Ukraine is currently doing. Instead, they spent the time building defences and training their troops.