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I'm trying out Obsidian for taking notes, and this made me laugh.

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[–] [email protected] 417 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Funny, but unironically a pretty good idea.

[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One of my first computer jobs was working in a student computer lab at my undergraduate university. This was back in the mid 90s-ish.

We had three types of computers - windows machines running 3.1 or whatever was current then, Macs who would all do a Wild Eep together when they rebooted en masse, and Sun X Windows dumb terminals that were basically just (obviously) unix machines for all intents and purposes. This was back when there were basically like 5 websites total, and people still hadn’t heard of Mosaic.

So everyone wanted the windows and Mac boxes, and only took the xterms when there was nothing else open. I was the primary support person for them since none of the other people wanted to learn Unix and I was the only CS major.

The X boxes suffered from two main learning hurdles. One was that backspaces were incorrectly mapped into some escape key sequence, and the other is that it would drop you from (I think) pine into emacs as a mail editor as soon as you hit it. 90% of my time was telling people how to exit emacs. It was that, putting more paper into the printers, and teaching myself more programming than I was learning in classes.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My god that brought back memories. The first commands when sitting at a new terminal was always, always:

stty sane

stty erase '^H'

It was well into the 2000s before Unix had useable defaults.

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[–] [email protected] 163 points 1 year ago (12 children)
[–] [email protected] 132 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It's hard to hate nano, but IMHO there also isn't anything to like in particular either. It's basically a TUI notepad. It's there, it lets people edit files... and that's pretty much all there is to it.

[–] [email protected] 151 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can use nano without having to read anything about nano. That might be the only thing that is better about it than vim, but it's a damn important thing.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I have zero patience when trying to make small adjustments to files, which is what my command line text editor should be for. Nano just has everything at the bottom in case you forget (I do, frequently) so the workflow is ridiculously streamlined for me

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

it's basically a TUI notepad. It's there, it does one job and that's all there is to it

That's what the people who like it like about it.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That’s it’s job

What else is there for it to do?

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I like nano because it has worked any time I needed it. I don't dislike nano because I'm not good enough at Linux to have ever run into its limitations

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (18 children)

I never get the need to use vim and nano exists.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Vim really is an IDE, not a text editor. It's usable as an editor but overkill.

Nano serves a difference purpose. It's like telling someone on a bike that a mustang is better.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (37 children)

Vim is absolutely not an IDE. It has no integrations with any language. It's just a powerful text editor. You can add language plugins and configure it to be an IDE.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

nano gang checking in.

However, I’ve been forced over time to remember “:wq” to get unstuck should vim randomly appear.

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[–] Gentoo1337 123 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why would I want to exit vim?

[–] DWin 33 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I tmux my vim session so I never have to exit it, I just end the session and NOTHING OF NOTE HAPPENS

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 year ago (1 children)

when you click enable vim it should just start nano

[–] Grass 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hate when I use visudo and it opens in nano and I try to use vi controls

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's very easy to terminate vim. I just use the power button.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Uh... so u guys don't change the PC each time that's cool I would definitely try that ...

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (7 children)

If anyone needs the command: :q!

If you want the computer to ask if you're sure: :q

If you want to save: :wq

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You’re nullifying that safety measure by doing this you know

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Some people just want to see the world burning

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

If you want to save: :wq

Or :x

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

:wq will write even if you didn't change anything; :x won't. (similar to :w vs :up)

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I don't mean to be all "BuT iT's cLOseD SoURce" but you should give Logseq or Zettlr a try. They're similar WYSIWYG markdown editors, but also FOSS. Zettlr also has vim keys.

Plus Obsidian is horrible at editing tables.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Also not a fan about the closed source thing, but I like about Obsidian that it's all just markdown. If I ever need to ditch it, I can keep and use my existing files as they are.

Would this also be possible with Zettlr or Logseq?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the suggestions, I'm actually checking a couple new editors out as i'm looking for an alternative to OneNote. Just started messing with this one, but i'm not sure if i'll settle for it yet.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I just commented this elsewhere, but I personally feel that their reasons for being closed source are worse than actually just being closed source.

https://obsidian.rocks/why-isnt-obsidian-open-source/

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's nothing there that really strikes me as disingenuous or bad. If they wanna be closed source, they can be, for whatever reason(s) they want. Does it mean a number of people (me included) are less likely to use it? Yes. But outside of our bubble here, most people don't care about open vs closed source software.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I mean, it's true.

I've been using linux pretty exclusively at home for almost 25 years now. Program. Script. Work in the shell a lot, and the other day I had to use vim and it took me a while to remember the basic commands. I'm a nano guy :\

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Big brain time, pkill vim

Vim: Caught deadly signal TERM
Vim: Finished.
Terminated

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So from within vim :!pkill vim?

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (10 children)

A lot of my personal dislike for VIM would be done away with if it just had a helpful common keys cheat sheet (basic cursor navigation, edit mode, exit with and without saving, etc) at the bottom of the editor window like Nano does.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You don't change Vim, Vim changes you. https://youtu.be/9n1dtmzqnCU

*edit: shortened and thanks! Did not know and gross..

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (22 children)

There's a few different ways to write that command in vim, does it accept all of them?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just can't quit you, vim!

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] darcy 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

if your desktop environment uses alt+f4 to quit 💀

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

That is just hilarious but also...

I just remembered that Bram Moolenaar, the author of vim has recently died...

He was a real good person. Back when he released his first vim for Amiga Computers I exchanged some emails with him and he handled even my less smart suggestions very professional.

I just take the chance to remind everyone to spend some money for his Uganda Charity.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Tricky question, but I think I have a solution:

:!readlink /proc/$PPID/fd/* | grep "$(dirname %)/.$(basename %).sw" | xargs -I{} rm "{}" ; kill -9 $PPID

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