You should be using all lanes of traffic, and zipper merge at the end.
this post was submitted on 25 Oct 2023
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The main problem with zipper merges in practice are selfish people who rush to zipper and cause even more congestion because of their erratic attempt to merge. Like traffic circles they work great when everyone is doing it right and they cam get really messed up when people do it wrong.
It would be great if zipper merging was taught as part of getting a license. Or they actually required someone to learn how to zipper merge as part of their license renewal.
Do you mean "rush to zipper" as in "using an open lane to move forward and then zipper merge into the remaining lane when that one closes?" That is precisely what you should do.
The problem is the selfish people who refuse to let those people actually zipper merge, like OP.
@Nougat
It’s hard to discuss zipper merging because people use to justify all sorts of dick behavior. Zipping through an empty left turn only lane to skip to the head of a right turn only lane for example. That’s not an example of zipper merging but there’s tons of people who I’ve seen argue that’s acceptable behavior.
Those people are assholes.
That’s not an example of zipper merging but there’s tons of people who I’ve seen argue that’s acceptable behavior.
We agree that that's not what we're talking about, and those people are wrong. That wasn't hard at all.
The issue is, at the end of the day, that nobody ever seems to know how to keep a decent distance away from the car in front of them. It doesn’t matter how slow traffic is, leave some space in front of you. It gives you room to slow down in case something happens, and it gives everyone else room to merge.
Zipper merging requires matching speed with the lane you are merging into so that drivers can make gradual changes in speed to make an opening for the person merging. That avoids sending a wave of brake slams that results from sudden unexpected lane changes. If you're passing a bunch of people, you're probably not doing a zipper merge.
You're also much less likely to end up with someone not letting you over if they see you matching speed instead of speeding up to the merge point.
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No, the problem is the people who incorrectly merge early, making "rushing" possible.
I am not calling it rushing because they are passing, but because they are going a significantly higher speed when starting to merge, requiring them to slam on the brakes and cause the same issues that merging too early causes.
Like going 20+ mph over the posted speed, not just going the speed limit in the open lane.
People who stay in the open lane and don't pass in the no passing zone and just zipper merge at the end are not the people I am talking about when I say rushing.
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The other issue is people who have no spatial awareness of their vehicle and need like eight car lengths to merge over.
Done with a modicum of competence: Zipper merges are efficient and you should only merge near the end
In reality? If you see an opening, merge over sooner than later to prevent disruptions to traffic
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But if I catch some dirty shitbag pull out of the lane to get into a clearly ending lane just to skip ahead a few cars...I'm going to glare rather harshly as I let the dirtbag back in.
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People are SUPPOSED to use both lanes for as long as safety possible, and then zipper-merge.
Not you Picard... say it ain't so!!
It's a zipper merge if the lane closes. Use all available lanes and alternate the right of way to keep traffic moving. It's assholes who think they're high and mighty that cause headaches in these situations
I swear I let people merge (to a fault) and didn't make this meme. I didnt think very hard before sharing this one and was picturing the people in my area who ride the shoulders/blocked lanes and try to cut in front of everybody.
It's okay. You're still a national treasure in my book ❤️
Thank you, Mighty Canuck
I don't let them in until it's time to zipper merge.
You're an asshole. It's a zipper merge.
Why are they booing you, you're right
I think it is similar to when lanes merge. Better to stay in lane and then do zipper method.
If lane is open, cars will speed up until they reach merged/closed lane...
What do y'all say?
Yes, the zipper method is much more efficient than a single line of cars 2 miles long before a lane closure.
LPT: don't take it personally when someone needs to merge.
It is literally a zipper when a lane is closed. By getting in the "line" too early, you are making traffic worse. Memes like this drive me crazy. Not only are you wrong, you are proudly wrong
People really like to double down on their stupidity
States that mandate signs about lane closures being really far out claim it makes traffic flow better. In my experience it just makes traffic stop in a different spot and is likely worse than zipper merges.
My state just recently started posting signs to keep using both lanes so people wouldn't go to one lane far too early. It was nice to be able to zipper merge without people pushing back.
We just need a traffic cone/barrier pattern to merge the lanes into each other, so that neither has the wrong impression that they’re the main or correct lane
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OP you fucking idiot, if you expect people to get over two miles back then you've artificially extended the lane closure an additional two miles.
It's called a zipper merge, you muppet. They're doing what they're supposed to for more efficient traffic flow. You're just being an ass.
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People like OP are a chronic problem in the UK.
Yes, I know that "we queue" in the UK. So why not make a number of queues equal to the number of available lanes and then take it in turns when it's time to merge? Instead of making a single queue multiple lengths longer than it needs to be that will inevitably block even more junctions further back and cause even more traffic, YOU FUCKING MORON!!!!
Edit: downvoted by nine absolute mongs that obviously weren't taught very well in their driving lessons. Not brave enough to put forward a counter argument, are you though?
I'm for the zipper if traffic is heavy, if you can't get over early you shouldn't be punished. What I hate is when there is enough space and time for motorists to get over, but they insist on speeding ahead and attempt to play chicken at the merge this just increases the risk of traffic slowing further due to an accident.
By "playing chicken" you mean "following the law and all the god damn driving training guides to do the most efficient thing possible with two lanes merging that would also be the safest if people weren't possessive fuck cunts when wrapped in a car, the absolutely correct fucking zipper merge" right?
If lane 2 is closed ahead, and you're in lane 1, I think it's a jerk move to leave lane 1 to try to rush ahead a few cars and cut someone off when you need back into lane 1
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In my state use both lanes to merge point is the law and they'll remind you of it with signs several times on your way to the merge point.
Not sure why people are so up in arms about this. I read this as a jab at those people who speed wildly past everyone else and cut in at the LAST moment. I still let those people in because I find it is almost always safer/wiser to be passive and yield when driving.
"Cutting in" at the last moment is what you're supposed to do. If the traffic flow dictated everyone to merge earlier, they would make the merge earlier. This entire thread is filled with confidently incorrect. Yes, you're supposed to "let" people in. And yes, they're supposed to drive at the speed limit ("speed wildly") in the alternate lane until the merge.
You yield to the merging traffic because that's how it's supposed to work not because you're somehow morally superior. It's just that one of you (not you) knows how to obey traffic laws and guidance, and one of you (you) is doing what they're supposed to do, but only because you incorrectly think you're being charitable.
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I wish I could downvote this twice. Fuck you.
They're trying to clown you because "zipper merging everyone should do it" but they're not thinking about human nature once again.
It's like communism. If everyone was perfect, leaving enough room and always willing to let people in at the top of the lane without slowing down, then it would work.
But all it takes is one asshole, or even someone that is merely distracted by their kid or something, and the guy in the ending lane has no room and will have to slam on their brakes to stop.
And then they somehow have to merge into decently fast traffic from a dead stop, which is not easy. (Unless of course, the other lane stops to let you in, thus delaying everyone)
The system we do now is shitty, but the alternative if you end up caught stranded is far worse.
I saw this on Reddit and the comments are exactly the same lol
That's because regardless of platform there is a percentage of drivers that think their understanding of the "right" way to do things is the only way, and everyone else is in the wrong. And often the problem ends up being the same drivers who "know how to drive" that mess it up for everyone else. There's a number of competing viewpoints in this thread alone and guaranteed that every one of them will agree with my point and think I'm talking about the other opinions.
P.S. You're all wrong. :p
If there are so many bad drivers on the road, why are they there?
How are they allowed to pass their driver's exam?
If they're not licensed, how are they allowed to drive?
Why are the standards for getting a license or getting on the road so low?
The answer is simple, there is no alternative. Socially the thought of an alternative is considered to be looked down upon if it is even there at all.
Public Transit and Walk-able Infrastructure are fantastic alternatives for people who should not, could not, or would not drive. And with alternatives to driving in place, standards for driving can be made to rise without alienating the population from traveling.
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