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Tired Of Being Ripped Off By Monopolies, Cleveland Launches Ambitious Plan To Provide Citywide Dirt Cheap Broadband::Cleveland has spent years being dubbed the "worst connected city in the U.S." thanks to expensive, patchy, and slow broadband. Why Cleveland broadband sucks so badly isn't really a mystery: consolidated monopoly/duopoly power has resulted in a broken market where local giants like AT&T and Charter don't have to compete on price, speeds, availability, customer…

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[–] [email protected] 161 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Countdown to the lawsuit by AT&T and Charter followed by Republicans trying to ban municipal broadband.

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[–] Aurenkin 98 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Oh no, they will lose out on all that efficiency from the free market

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If only they had Comcast, they could experience the joy of 10G internets.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

By 10G I assume you mean a monthly data cap of 10GB?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

No it's 10G, so much higher than 5G. The only thing better would be 11G.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's nothing free market about how cable companies operate.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Sure there is. They are natural monopolies that form in the free market. The free market isn’t a good thing. It’s what gives us things like child labor and corporate owned towns.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lol, so all the regulation protecting them is "natural"?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, those come after they gain a monopoly. Those regulations weren’t there when the “free market” turned them into a monopoly.

There are certain products and services that form a monopoly naturally when they operate in a free (or even relatively free) market. Those are referred to as natural monopolies, ISPs are among them.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago

This ia good, natural monopolies should be run by local goverments or the goverment.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Ohio state legislature will make this illegal, or at least place a specific regulatory burden to make it illegal in this one city e.g. No town or city with a population over [insert Cleveland population -5%] or No city or town bordering large bodies of water [Lake Erie]. I guarantee it.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The solution is simple: Secede from the state of Ohio, declare Cleveland an autonomous city-state, and befriend nuclear Gandhi so no one will dare contest you.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A small town near me (6,000 population) installed fiber optic around down and now it’s considered a public utility and low cost to boot.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Yea we are in the Chattanooga area and enjoy gigabit symmetrical fiber for $67/mo. No taxes or extra fees, just the 67. It's a big part of why we chose to live here.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Howdy neighbor I’m in Tri-Cities. :)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I thought you might be referencing Olds, Alberta who also did this a decade ago

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

And housing.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My electric coop installed fiber last year, up to gigabit with no limits and no throttling. They're even cool with my rampant torrenting.

I've been saying for years that internet should be treated like a utility, and I was right.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Question: could not a private company mostly owned by the city do it? Normal for profit company providing alternatives? And do it block by block...

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They could... but typically that required pulling tons of permits to do. Also means that they intend not to make a whole lot of money doing it since "cheap" is part of this. Companies are a bit allergic to doing a lot of work for cheap.

But to that point, I have enough density in my area that centurylink is installing fiber (finally...) and actually offering it at almost reasonable value. It makes monetary sense for them in this case. So they're doing it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

CenturyLink from where I grew up (rural Wisconsin), still only offers DSL as the fastest option. I now live in rural South Vietnam, and I have a fiber drop into my bedroom. Ridiculous really.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm so curious, how did you end up moving from rural Wisconsin to rural vietnam

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

for the fiber

Actually, I just fell in love with it. Wonderful food, people are kind, ~~internet fast~~, no politics, fantastic coffee. I could go on for days.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where I lived before, the city had the municipal power company build the open-access fiber network. They already have all the right of way and lines right up to people's houses so perfectly suited.

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[–] mindbleach 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I see how governoment vs company is unfair and comcast sues against this, but this would be more fair, or rather harder to win in court, no?

[–] mindbleach 2 points 10 months ago

governoment vs company is unfair

Fuck 'em. They had every chance to do things right and they failed.

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