Seems pretty conclusive.
Doesn't mean that Israel should continue the genocide, just that Hamas sucks: which we already knew.
Until this apartheid state is dismantled the violence can't stop: both sides are bound to keep fighting with each other.
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It's definitely suspicious that there are no munitions remnants available for analysis. You would think there would be something. If there is anything, independent investigators need to be given access. Otherwise, the perception of impropriety will color peoples' analyses.
But the idea this has been "concluded" doesn't seem correct either.
As stated in this article, Al Jazeera, Channel 4, and Forensic Architecture reached conclusions that the air explosion shows the rocket was intercepted and destroyed, not misfired, and there is no causal link between the air explosion and ground explosion at the hospital.
The AP analysis argued against this, but did in fact note this was a possibility. I believe the CNN and others use the same arguments and resources as preliminary OSINT analyses.
Now, GeoConfirmed and other OSINT accounts (Oliver Alexander) are backtracking from their early hypotheses and concluding the Al Jazeera claim is in fact the likely scenario, arguing that the intercepted explosion is too far away from the hospital to be connected. They still think a rocket is the "likely" cause, however.
I wonder if we will ever know what happened for sure, but there is definitely more to this story.
Will this change any Hamas supporter's mind that they are not to be trusted? No, because their minds were made up the moment they started supporting them.
Please don't confuse hamas supporters with supporters of Palestine. Two totally different things.
Of course!
Okay so who’s a Hamas supporter? Because I’ve never met anyone so far who supports them, to the point that this sounds like a strawman.
People protesting in Berlin, yelling antisemitic slurs, handing out candy to celebrate the deaths of Israelis. Those Hamas supporters. People like that are few but ubiquitous.
Funny how anyone who's suspicious of Israel's far-right, militaristic government is a "Hamas supporter".
Found suspicious by who? Dumbasses on the internet? As long as it's the not the government, I have a right to call out BB's dumbassery that sure didn't help this situation.
It's so absurd that it seems plausible to anyone that israel was the perpetrator! Nor that they had bombed hospitals and other buildings full of civilians before, or that they were dropping thousands of bombs a day on a densely populated city and it was entirely foreseeable that some would end up where they were not supposed to.
/s, necessary because of the limited capabilities of the zionists.
That hospital bombing you're referring to wasn't them. And are they the perpetrators of that Hamas attack? Fuck no, the responsibility lies squarely on Hamas' shoulders.
Yeah, it is nearly impossible to dismantle a belief system like this. Just like it is with extreme (both left and right) political beliefs.
Something something… independent UN and ICC verification… for the billionth time.
Ah, the new York times, known for its journalistic integrity, inspiring such onion headlines as
"It Is Journalism’s Sacred Duty To Endanger The Lives Of As Many Trans People As Possible"
https://www.theonion.com/it-is-journalism-s-sacred-duty-to-endanger-the-lives-of-1850126997
Also well known for being on the right side of history/s https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/iraq-war-media-fail-matt-taibbi-812230/amp/