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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are civilian deaths inevitable in any war of sufficient scale? Yes.

Is the IDF operating with a mindset of minimizing civilian casualties? Doubtful.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They blew up a truck full of women and children that were using the evac route Israel promised not to bomb...

Then an hour later while the bodies were still burning on the road they started telling Palestinians it was safe again

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but hospital /s

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's mostly inevitable if you're aiming at them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

"Dog deaths are inevitable"

Fires guided munitions into a fucking veterinary clinic.

Damn those terrorists for making us do this.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

"Yeah, we're going to kill innocent people. Can't be helped. Remember: We're the good guys!"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The hospital debate is proving to be great cover for Isreal. I bet this gets about as much traction as the journalists the IDF killed earlier this week. They sure seem to be having a lot of accidents that get glossed over.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely vile. I'm sure the 800+ civilians killed in bombing the hospital was ~~intentional~~ inevitable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Is there even a confirmation of the claim that Hamas using civilian as human shield for all the Israeli strike? Or is it just another lies the Israel tell to justify their ethnic cleansing? Like how they strike building that house AP, Aljazeera and other press, in Gaza back in 2021 saying there's militant in the building? Or the time they bomb a evacuating truck full of civilian after they asked a city of 2 millions to evacuate down south? Or the time they murdered Aljazeera journalist but lie to the world that it's Palestine who did it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And the lesson to be learned here is that there is not always a "good guy" in a conflict.

Sometimes they are both just worthless assholes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Israel has killed 36x as many children as all pro-Palestine groups combined have killed Israeli kids.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love how you cherry pick in Palestine's favor by explicitly mentioning how many children in general Israel has killed vs how many children specifically belonging to Israel that Palestine has killed.

You're also missing the point that neither is good. They're women and fucking children, innocents FFS. You can't put a metric on good to either of those, those are both objectively bad things and they should both be punished for it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
  1. I didn't cherry pick shit. I just worded that poorly and you would rather attack me on style than substance https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

  2. Scale absolutely makes a difference. Especially when you consider how much funding Israeli gets. Maybe there is no "good guy" but when one side starts killing orders of magnitudes more innocents than the other side then one side definitely becomes the bad guys.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago
  1. Then don't word it poorly next time. Thank you for providing data though, most people don't do that and that was really cool of you

  2. One side may be worse, but at the end of the day, they both deliberately killed innocents. It doesn't matter how many more one killed, they are BOTH BAD GUYS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One is a villain with a cause you can relate to, one is a hero that's just absolutely evil.

Pick a side. I sure can't.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Those are both the same thing at the end of the day.

It's unfortunate that the God they worship doesn't exist, because they would both be going straight to hell.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


More than one million Palestinians were warned to move to southern Gaza from the north at the weekend by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF), ahead of an expected ground invasion.

The Palestinian health ministry, which is run by Hamas, has also claimed up to 500 people, which they called "martyrs", were killed in a bombing that targeted a hospital in Gaza City on Tuesday.

IDF spokesperson, Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner, told Sky News earlier: "You can't expect us not to protect our civilians because Hamas are hiding behind theirs.

The chief of Israel's military intelligence, Major General Aharon Haliva, has written a letter taking responsibility for failure to anticipate the deadly attack.

Speaking at a news conference with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Tuesday, Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said Hamas was responsible for the safety of civilians in Gaza, including hostages they have taken, and claimed the group is using citizens as human shields.

Hundreds of people are feared buried under the rubble in Gaza, and more than a million Palestinians have fled their homes, with aid agencies warning of a deteriorating humanitarian crisis.


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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think we should just cram both leaders into a submersible

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Nazi Israel strikes again