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Hi, I'm looking for a distro for my laptop. My first distro was Pop!_OS, then I switched to Fedora, then Arch for a year and 2 months ago I switched to Fedora Silverblue, because I wanted to try immutable distro that relies on containers and flatpaks to be usefull. Silverblue is great but not so much for me, its not flexible enough.

I'm thinking of switching to Arch but maybe it's time for something else. Maybe NixOS or Void, Gentoo probably not, I don't have time for compiling everything. What do you recommend?

It must support full disk encryption, secure boot with signing with YOUR OWN KEYS, systemd (because of MullvadVPN), everything else I think can work on any distro (Gnome, podman, kvm, etc.).

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago

Switch to debian and go outside

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I'd recommend rather boring Debian. Archlinux as well if you want to dive deeper.

EDIT: For Debian, you want Debian Testing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Debian is only as boring as you want it to be.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I installed Debian so I could install Proxmox. Now I have like 10 VMs with every flavor of Linux I could want. Still partial to Arch tho.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’m thinking of switching to Arch but maybe it’s time for something else. Maybe NixOS or Void, Gentoo probably not, I don’t have time for compiling everything. What do you recommend?

I'm a bit biased of course but you sound like you'd enjoy NixOS.

NixOS is immutable but quite a bit more tinkerable than Silverblue. Not quite Arch or Void levels of tinkering but this topic is not as black and white as it may seem.

secure boot with signing with YOUR OWN KEYS

Not yet in upstream NixOS but: https://github.com/nix-community/lanzaboote

systemd (because of MullvadVPN),

Unrelated to evangelising you into NixOS but I'm curious: Why does a VPN proxy software have any hard dependency on a process manager?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Why does a VPN proxy software have any hard dependency on a process manager?

Probably because of killswitch. App installs a service that manages internet and vpn access, the app is just a GUI for communicating with that service.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Can confirm NixOS is the shit. Can't imagine myself using anything else

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't sleep on OpenSuSE. It supports everything you're looking for and has options for periodic and rolling release.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

OpenSuse is great except for one (imho) zypper. When I do updates zyper has this huge section which is labeled "will not be upgraded". For me it's really distracting and makes reading which packages will be upgraded harder to parse visually at a glance

This is what I mean: https://superuser.com/questions/273424/am-i-using-zypper-correctly#361047

[–] Klaymore 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You want immutable distros but Silverblue wasn't flexible enough? Why not try NixOS? It's really nice.

I've been using it for two years and I love being able to make changes to my config and having those changes apply to all my computers. It's also basically unbreakable, if my computer explodes I can just reinstall NixOS with my config files and it will instantly be set up exactly how I want it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Whichever one works best for you.

Now that's an experienced user.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Linux From Scratch 😉

[–] dream_weasel 8 points 10 months ago

Plain old minimal arch to start is a great solution that's not too painful to manage IMO. That is where I landed after not wanting to figure out how to make full compiles palatable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I prefer doing useful things with my workstation vs playing with the OS itself, so mint cinnamon is my recommendation. Servers are ansible-managed alma. Professionally I'm a Linux systems architect and devops engineer.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

The one thing I’ve learned over the years is that the more experience you have with Linux, the less you rely on preconfigured distributions. Find a stable minimal install and build up your own set of base packages, DE, configs, etc.

Only you know your habits and needs and experience is how you narrow down the field.

For me personally, I have found my groove in a minimal Debian install with a first run setup script or two that is repeatable and automatable so I can start with a known quantity for any applicable need I have.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I love arch. I want to switch to NixOS for my home server but I think I’ll be sticking with arch for my main I see no further reason to switch.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I learned that using nix on arch for the home directory in addition to pacman and the aur is quite an unbeatable combo that I prefer to having everything managed by nix. The problem with nix and nixos I see for one is that it leaves some performance on the table for reproducibility and that many packages are or cannot be packaged for nix. Additionally arch already is quite reproducible albeit not as much as nixos. Writing your own meta package with a simple pkgbuild to manage the system base seemed like a good substitute for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's an immutable Arch project out there called AstOS

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Arch is a good choice, Endeavour was my flavor of choice, but these days I use Linux Mint: Debian Edition, which works mostly fine for me (got one minor piece of software I can't get for it).

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

every distro is for experienced users, you can tranform arch in ubuntu and vice versa, but if you want sumething different try fedora silverblue, or other nonmutable distro, it's fun learning how to use it(it's what i'm doing with my laptop)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't know who downvotes this, but it's true, you can get your hands dirty with any distro.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Void Linux was my daily driver for around a year and it was fast, really fast, and had a lot of tinkerability. I highly recommend it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Void is lovely, I use it on my computer as my sole OS, but OP requested systemd so that's a no for Void.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Oops, you're right, I read as the opposite!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I use Arch (btw) because of the ArchWiki, and I'm totally comfortable configuring my system how I like it.

But I do appreciate Debian a lot. You can customize things to almost the same extent, but packages come preconfigured with great defaults and designed to better work together, unlike Arch which uses the upstream defaults almost universally.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

NixOS definitely. The disk encryption with keys you may need do that manually though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Since you're experienced with Linux already try a BSD for something new.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

BSD sadly lacks a fair amount of support for things that Linux does. I gave FreeBSD a try a few years back and it annoyed me, especially coming from Arch. All the packages were so outdated and compiling updated versions from Ports took forever. Also the BSDs are just different enough from Linux to be annoying.

I'm a Linux System Engineer and at my former job we had a few thousand Linux hosts but a handful of Solaris 5 hosts. Shelling into one of those, expecting it to be Linux and then raging when something didn't work but then realizing it was Solaris and not Linux was always fun.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I use debian as my absolute base and build lxc containers for everything above that with my own kernel, works for me.

I set my own complexity, but debian also doesn't get in my way which works for me.

Ubuntu container for dev work (c++ mostly), arch container for some stuff, few vms for private data.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Sooner or later everyone will find their way to Debian. It's boring and it works.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

There are a few options. Like many have mentioned, Nix OS is a wonderful distro with it's own quirks.

If you are looking for something normal, consider Opensuse Tumbleweed and arch linux (or arch based distros like EndavourOS).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

just install tumbleweed and never distrohop ever again

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Gentoo probably not, I don't have time for compiling everything

Just wanted to say I use gentoo and was going to recommend it. Compile times really shouldn't impact you that much as they're running in background and can be configured to not impact other processes. And compiles are very fast for most applications, it's only the few heavy ones that aren't.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Use wireguard for Mullvad

Likely void, gentoo, Slackware, or just do everything on Debian

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Arch supports all of those.

NixOS does too, but I don't believe Void does.

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