I have nothing but a gut feeling to back this up, but isn't this oh so convenient for russia? Now the very powerful USA Israel lobby will be asking for as much aid as possible.
I wouldn't be surprised if russia was behind this and other escalations.
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It might disrupt US focus a little, but Israel's military really doesn't need help on this. Israel is heavily militarized with a very advanced domestic defense industry. And as much as Russia has flopped, they're still a former superpower while Hamas is DIYing half their equipment
It is. They also were very, very quick to point out that „the west“ is at fault for supporting Ukraine too much and therefore Israel not enough.
I think I saw Russia's name before, so it's not just you wondering about that. It would be completely unsurprising to find out that Russia is giving a push to plans that had been mothballed for a while.
I actually think it’s better for russia to fracture the democrats over it. Stop the genocide b/w support Israel. That’s the spin they’re expecting, and have already started to see dividends from that in the press.
The curse of over-simplifying is the only winner in any of that messaging. Keep the discussions long, detailed and boring. Ignore the blaring “dems in disarray” messaging they’ve already got chambered for next week.
I think if they were involved it will backfire on them. The reality is it is now going to be a lot easier, and the military-industrial complex is extremely eager, to put aid for Israel as a joint package in aid with Ukraine. Net result may be that aid is enhanced for both nations.
Edit: that said they do want Iranian drones. I could see them supporting it from that perspective and also happy to run their misinformation campaigns for them to dry and drive a wedge.
It's not like we really have a budget to hit, we can just fund both. If anything, Republicans in the House who are arguing that we need to spend the money here instead of on military aid will lose that talking point if they vote for Israeli aid. And the Senate who wants Ukrainian money can tie the two together to force more money to Ukraine.
Not that it can't be Russian-encouraged, they probably do want the US preoccupied somewhere else, but Hamas has their own reasons for launching the attack, not everything has to be about the United States.
Israel's been neutral in the Ukraine conflict. I doubt Russia would seriously risk turning Israel.
And even then, if Russia wanted to do something theyd do it through Syria, not Gaza.
At the very least this maybe could be a diversion to get eyes off Ukraine but I seriously doubt that. Hamas is probably just pissed off Saudi/Israeli relations have been improving and want to stop that.
Russia really isn't some illuminati spymaster country.
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Well considering they're Iran's biggest ally and Iran wants nothing less than total destruction of State of Israel and slaughtering of all the Jews...
It's not as simple as that.
Iran fucks with Israel, because Israel fucks with Iran. And they've both been at it since 1979.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56724039
The religious aspect is just icing on the cake to the geopolitical tensions.
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Who are these senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah that said this? Sounds to me like the article is just war mongering for Israeli attacks on Iran with justifications based on he said she said bullshit with no actual evidence of it. Also article is paywalled.
Ghazi Hamad, a Hamas spokesman, meanwhile told the BBC that the group had direct backing for the attack from Iran.
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And que World War 3 ladies and gentlemen. Buckle up, because this is gonna get messy.
As a millennial I'm excited to live through my like 5th WW3.
Seriously, every single local war is a fresh breeding ground for WW3 according to morons online
A guy bumped into me at the pub. I fear this could escalate to WW3.1+ PRO MAX
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As a GenX-er, I grew up with WW3 as a constant possibility. My third grade teacher showed us a TV movie about nuclear war that had me thinking every plane that flew overhead was a nuclear missile.
Maybe this is why GenX is the "whatever" generation. When you grow up thinking you're going to die at any moment, you tend to shrug off a lot of stuff.
Doom-mongering. Climate change would still do more damage than WW3 unfortunately.
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Fucking great. I hope cooler heads can prevail.
When both sides of a conflict make the claim that the same piece of dirt is sacred to their religion, it's unlikely for cooler heads to get a word in edgeways.
Well, there's also the fact that after WWII, while the Allies were dividing the world up like a giant birthday cake, they created most of these problems: North Korea, Iraq-Kuwait, and plunking a new Jewish country down in the middle of Arabia.
If the Allies had decided that Ohio is a new Jewish country, what would've been the fallout from that?
As much as we seem a step removed from this issue, we made the problem.
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Ah, religion...
May the coming nuclear war wipe all forms of religion from the face of the earth. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
So we can finally see peace on this planet 🙏🙏🙏🙏
As much as I agree, that religion makes people do stupid/dangerous/horrible things, both of the world wars were not started for religious reasons. So maybe, there are more things that make people hate each other than just religion.
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This makes their joint statement about "nobody to blame but themselves" darkly hilarious.
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