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[–] [email protected] 135 points 10 months ago (2 children)

“The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.” ― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well this quote makes me wish I finished reading that book...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Hey, it's never too late! I didn't appreciate it back in high school, but it's an incredible read as an adult.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

I never read the book, but I am aware of the quote. I need to listen to it on audiobook

[–] cantstopthesignal 60 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This was the reason for the Irish potato famine. They were growing wheat but we're forced to sell it or they would lose their farms to landlords.

[–] ZombiFrancis 15 points 10 months ago

There was plenty of food. It was largely requisitioned by the British military.

The peasants were allowed to grow some food for their own survival: which mostly were potatoes. When the blight swept the island, the plentiful edible food was still taken, and the farmers were left with nothing. The ones that tried to keep any bread, milk or butter lost their farms, if not their lives.

It is why it is called the Great Hunger.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I seem to recall food stores paying armed security to guard their trash. They spent money guarding trash with guns rather than letting someone survive that capitalism has deemed "unworthy"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Weird that we're letting sociopaths run things and not barring them from positions of power. Why are we letting it be an argument that there should be a higher basic standard of living? Can't give food cause there's no profit in it, abundance in homelessness but companies buying up houses is okay, second and third rate medical care cause it's cheaper for the insurance companies.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago (2 children)

To a capitalist, a forest has no value until it’s cut down.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

Or counted as offsetting five times the carbon emissions it eventually might, given ideal future circumstances.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago (4 children)

To prevent starving, establish UBI.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I believe UBI will never come to pass because the rich have too much to lose. Imagine a workforce not beholden to the capitalists?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (5 children)

"The rich" have names and addresses.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (4 children)

If enough people want it, they can overpower the relatively few rich. But most of the people have bought I to the lies of the rich; social media is probably a convenient tool for the rich and powerful to control the opinions of others.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

This is some Facebook quality content right here.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What the image says is true. What the title says is dumb. Strange combo, immune to both upvotes and downvotes (from me, at least).

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For real, like the literal headlines attached to it were that they had to dump because they'd run out of storage capacity and didn't have enough transit infrastructure to move their stuff during the lockdowns.

I didn't spend the latter half of 21 learning more about supply chain management than any man should have to because of the news for some self righteous twit to just outright lie about my trauma even happening!/s

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, even though governments have sometimes stepped in and prevented free market to do its own thing to keep prices somewhat low or in disasters (for instance, here in my country farmers are subsidized to keep food prices low, and various governments during covid didn't wait for free market to step in to deal with the pandemic and funded the relief effort by themselves), capitalism has been critiqued endlessly, its contradictions pointed out over 200 years and due to what the post refers to and countless other reasons, capitalism should definitely be replaced.

The issue is that the left hasn't really organized themselves and provided an alternative and by that I mean something akin to a step by step solution. What happens now when the left gets into power in a country is some random small tweaks such as making healthcare and worker lives a bit better, adding taxes on cars - nothing that tackles the core problem which is capitalism.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

I hate that this image was chosen to attach to this statement.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Dumping product is losing money, the only way it makes profitability sense in Democratic Capitalism would be if the increase of profit from dumping 1 unit is greater than the marginal cost of producing that unit.

And even if that was the case industry wide, without collective action from government or cartel persuasion (or there being a monopoly which is the result of a LACK of government action), it wouldn't make sense to do for any individual because you make more being a free rider.

The issue of misaligned incentives does exist, we have enough food to feed everyone and we aren't doing it, but the pandemic milk dumping was because of the pandemic, not Capitalism. Farmers did donate some food to food banks but it's a once-in-a-lifetime disruption nobody was prepared for so the food banks couldn't take all that was available.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Meanwhile most of dumped milk was dumped in US

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Op is a fucking retard. It was because they had no storage facilities to take it not to keep demand high.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hey man, don't need to go that far. The concept and context of his argument are solid. Look at diamonds, for instance. It's done, even if his example wasn't spot on. Maybe. Where I am the dairy farmers are selling their cattle for meat, because the supermarkets have strong armed such low prices, they can't afford to even operate. While the milk on the shelf isn't cheap.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Diamonds are a luxury item that no one needs. Can't say I'm terribly upset about that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Don't milk cows, lactation stops. No milk until the next calf is born. Outside the ethics of bovine milk, if the supply chain has ground to a halt, and food safety regulations mean you can't sell warm, unpasteurised, unfiltered milk at your front gate (Yay, faeces and gravel) then it's going to be tipped because it needs to be in this instance.

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